amd6547
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Actually, I feel pretty well armed with my Beretta 84F and 14 Underwood +P XTP’s.
Actually, I feel pretty well armed with my Beretta 84F and 14 Underwood +P XTP’s.
"You state that .380 is a marginal caliber, yet show a video that demonstrates that shot placement was the thing that stopped the perpetrator?"
If you are measuring group size on a target, yes.
If you need very rapid controlled fire to land several hits very quickly on a target that is moving at 180 inches per second, no.
It's all about physics.
Rapid follow-up shots are always part of my practice, but not at moving targets. I move... Not the targets.If you need very rapid controlled fire to land several hits very quickly on a target that is moving at 180 inches per second, no.
Do not take this as argumentative, but as somehing intended to be conducive to thought.Rapid follow-up shots are always part of my practice,
As in, empty the magazine.it firing several shots very rapidly, in order to effect a rapid stop.
the lehigh defense 68 grain extreme defender bullet does this.To reliably achieve adequate penetration
no such thing as 380 acp +p.The "+P" .380 cartridges
extremely lucky to do that with any shot (hit the spinal cord).disrupt the spinal cord
obviously it still takes a while to incapacitate without a cns hit regardless the cartridge. two minutes is not "rapid" in this scenario.Placement plus penetration are the keys to reliable rapid incapacitation.
and the leo would have started shooting right away.Replace the aggressor's branch with a knife or gun
the lehigh defense 68 grain extreme defender bullet does this.
no such thing as 380 acp +p.
the 380 acp cartridge is adequate, imo.
Thanks for the explanation.That bullet is no better than Winchester USA 95gr FMJ in terms of producing mild wound trauma. The flutes are intended to increase the diameter of the temporary cavity, which most soft tissues are able to stretch and rebound with little permanent disruption. Temporary cavity is analogous to blunt trauma - at handgun velocities it bruises soft tissues but doesn't damage them
Thanks for the the clarification..There is no SAAMI standard for .380 +P. It's a marketing term misused by some manufacturers of .380 ACP cartridges.
Yep.There's a reason why it's described as a marginal cartridge for self-defense. It might work or it might not work. We don't get to choose the circumstances
Yep.My biggest concern with the .380...., is the reduced power of the cartridge to effect a good penetration depth compared to the already little 9x19 round.
All of the experts beieve that it does, and It seems to be doing the job world wide. Few shooters can fire a .45 as rapidly. What will it take to convince you?...and a faint belief that a modern top shelf 9mm bullet now has effective terminal ballistics on the human form.
And for back-up.The new Ruger LCP Max sounds attractive for those rare times when the only option is deep carry in the belief that carrying something is better than carrying nothing
There's a reason why it's described as a marginal cartridge for self-defense. It might work or it might not work.
That's my thought.To which cartridges does the second sentence (used to explain the first) not apply?
Again, I agree with that. But as others have pointed out, the second sentence could apply to anything, including the.357 Magnum.There's a reason why it's described as a marginal cartridge for self-defense. It might work or it might not work.
Okay…but that’s not what this thread is about.a glock 30 with 10 rounds of 45 will do me just fine.
Mine works with cargo shorts.This is my shorts and a tshirt, run to get beer gun. Quick trips.
Mine works with cargo shorts.
But should some unpleasantness occur, it won't matter whether I am on a short trip or long, or going for beer
I’m with Chicharrones, I like the idea of the 10 round capacity for the thicker frame and better grip for me shooting. I have 6/7 round 380s and have to use a Hogue or Pachmayr grip sleeve on them since they hit a nerve in my hand. I normally carry a G42, and it’s larger size really makes it one of Glock’s great shooter and softest shooters. Really hope the Max 380 is still able to be pocketed. Will be my next purchase.
I agree with all your statements, but then I’m ok with a 5 shot j frame, 7 shot 22mag, or 6 round 380 too. I don’t see a correlation of more rounds equaling a better product.
Lefty
One can debate how many rounds to carry, but how many rounds one may need will remain unknown.The "how many rounds do you need for self-defense" debate will go on forever.