Just tell it like it is, no rationalizations.

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CDW4ME said:
Example rationalizations:
I live in a good area.
Nobody want to (volunteer to) get shot with it.
Better than nothing
The Extreme Nuclear 32 acp does bazillion damage to gel

Example truths:
It is the best I'm willing to carry (not work)
It is the best I can carry (work)
I have a physical limitation
A 32 acp in my pocket is the best I'm willing/able to do.

Who else would rather simply see posted truths > rationalizations :)
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I think my .32 ACP CZ-70 is a perfect carry piece. Why do you think it is not? Did your read that on the internet?
 
CDW4ME said:
Example rationalizations:
I live in a good area.
Nobody want to (volunteer to) get shot with it.
Better than nothing
The Extreme Nuclear 32 acp does bazillion damage to gel

Example truths:
It is the best I'm willing to carry (not work)
It is the best I can carry (work)
I have a physical limitation
A 32 acp in my pocket is the best I'm willing/able to do.

Who else would rather simply see posted truths > rationalizations :)
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Honestly, I don't see a lot of differences between the categories except maybe that the "truths" are just better rationalizations. For example, when somebody says X gun/caliber/bullet is better than nothing, they are absolutely being truthful, because virtually anything positive would be better than nothing. Nothing is the lowest non negative value. That rating would put bad body odor and whatever gun/caliber/bullet on equal footing for self defense because the are both "better than nothing." "Nothing" is not the comparative standard by which we should rationalize our self defense tool decisions. While true, it is poor because the standard is not helpful.

The poor quality of the rationalization is where I have problems with them as the often show a lack of thought/reasoning, poor reasoning, or are just too self limiting.

Just as every caliber is a compromise of some sort, every decision/justification is a rationalization of some sort.
 
I suppose cleaning pools every day like I do, going into some sketchy neighborhoods, I should wear body armor... in the 100F heat.

I used to carry a .380 AMT... hidden where it would take me a screwdriver and a minute or so to get to. It is what it is... if that's all you can do.
 
CDW4ME said:
Somebody posts what they carry on a discussion forum, its a reasonable expectation that someone may subsequently discuss it.
Example: I say, "I carry a Glock 19 wherever".
Someone asks: Really? Even walking the dogs?
You think an appropriate response is: "Worry about yourself" o_O

Why post what you do if you don't want to potentially talk about it?
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I got the impression that the purpose of this thread was for you to tell me how it is.

The intention of my response was that you are not in a position to tell me how it is.

And that's true for everyone who prides themselves in "telling it how it is."

If my impression of your intention was incorrect, then I apologize.

As for me...I no longer carry a firearm.
 
Tell it like it is, ok.

1: I carry what I like, if it’s a snub 38 that looks good and I enjoy shooting it, that may be enough even though I have better suited guns, and have no reason not to carry them… other than I feel like carrying the snub.

2: I don’t really care about what other people thank about my choice of carry.
 
CDW4ME writes:

Someone says they "feel comfortable" carrying a 32, in reality they are not willing to put forth more effort than sticking a 32 in pocket.
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The second part might be true, and it might be because the first part is actually true. The two sections don't have to be exclusive of each other. Someone who can actually easily carry a double-stack .45 around could also still "feel comfortable" "sticking a 32 in (a) pocket." If they're comfortable with that, why should they "put forth more effort"?

Now, if someone feels uncomfortable with just a .32 in a pocket, then maybe they should address that.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
I don't hate the .32 Auto. But I don't HAVE a .32 Auto,. so I can't carry one unless I buy one. And if I'm going to buy a new carry gun, there are lots of better choices than .32 Auto.
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This I do not disagree with.:)

But, I have a P32, any other carry beside pocket WILL be seen, anything larger than the P32 will print regardless of pant type.
It’s that, or go without. I’d prefer not to go without. I am not unarmed without a pistol, but I’d prefer to have the option to just reach in my pocket if necessary. Civilized weapons for a civilized era.
Having nail guns and pry bars, a claw hammer at my side, if I got to my blade it would be a pile of soggy ribbons. Shooting someone for my own defense against death would be the least messy way to do it.

But that’s just it, it’s as silly as comparing hammer weight. No one would argue that a 20” 30 ounce hammer will drive a nail better than a twelve ounce finish hammer. But has anyone used one all day to frame a house? What’s the point of a super smasher if one can’t hit the nail because it’s too heavy to control? Once a nail is driven that’s it, there’s not more driven. There’s a reason hammers come in different weights and lengths, styles and use intent.
Six holes in a humans face or heart is going to ruin their day regardless of diameter.



Why didn’t human X purchase a full sized truck? Trucks are the best vehicle’s and anyone, that wishes to put forth the only appropriate amount of effort, can buy one. Driving a lesser vehicle is obviously more dangerous and calls their judgment into question.

If the Nine was the lower limit, there wouldn’t be other cartridges
If bullet diameter and penetration were the only variables there would be no other cartridges.
If X-size pistol were the only appropriate sized there would not be other size pistols.
If fifteen were the only proper number of rounds there would not be larger magazines than that.

If the Tesla was the best form of transportation there would not be a new truck in my driveway…


We all make decisions.
Now, tell me about your diet and some of the rationalizations made every day, at every meal.
I bet you’ve made some concessions. (Don’t worry, man. I ain’t gonna judge.:D)


Every one of life’s decisions is more complicated than “the .Gov said this was the best for everyone”.
I would much more trust an average person is telling you their truth after many thousands of unique and personal decisions, rather than some excuse.

Like, obviously, right?;)
 
After re-reading the thread, I think I’ve missed the point. (Totally wouldn’t be the first time…)

Humans say their “rationale” curtly, to avoid having to discuss all their personal reasons and decisions with strangers.
But, in doing so, someone that actually cares about their safety will expose their disconnects in an effort to convey a deeper thought process about it.

Often times this will cause defensiveness. ;)

While there are well established and respected standards in regards to all things, that some or even many humans ascribe, tolerate or woefully accept different means than the standard is not surprising.
But in the discussion some points may cause some to think differently than before. Which is good. Or it may cause some to be more firmly cemented in their truths, which is also just fine.

No one has to live my life, but this is a discussion board.:D

I suppose the real discussion of this thread would be how to approach another who may not be thinking all the way to the end, or how to get others who are perceived to be become less lazy about their defensive routines.

If anyone knows how to do that, let me know.:)
 
Demi-human said:
I suppose the real discussion of this thread would be how to approach another who may not be thinking all the way to the end, or how to get others who are perceived to be become less lazy about their defensive routines.

If anyone knows how to do that, let me know.
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Giving an opinion to someone when asked is appropriate and helpful but why do you feel compelled to approach others and tell them they're doing things wrong? As my sig line says "I prefer to ask people what works best for them rather than try to tell them."
 
.32. Larger than .22 or a .25. Smaller than 9mm or .40 or .45. Maybe the perfect carry caliber.
I carry a .380 daily. The bad guys will all run when there is a bang anyway. No one knows what they were shot with, just the fact they have been shot .
 
Old_Grouch said:
Giving an opinion to someone when asked is appropriate and helpful but why would one feel compelled to approach others and tell them they're doing things wrong?
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Bingo.:)
Or that they’re lying to themselves or trying to rationalize a poor decision.
Personally, I have enough to worry about.
I wouldn’t, I don’t care what someone is carrying. As long as don’t see it at work*, and one is safe any other time, I think more humans should have “claws”…;)


*If I owned the company, or worked different sites, or had a different profession I wouldn’t care if I saw it either. But where I am, and what I do, they just can not be seen, even on a carpenter, even if no one is around, even if it isn’t explicitly forbidden.

I like when I “make” one of the BigWigs and that second when they realize “I Know”.:D
 
Double Naught Spy said:
Just as every caliber is a compromise of some sort, every decision/justification is a rationalization of some sort.
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Yep.

My most common carry is a mid sized 15 round 9mm (or close variant thereof) and I have a pile of reasons, rationalizations and justifications as to why that works for me.

Just as there are plenty of others who think my option is too big, or too small, or the wrong caliber.

We all just gotta do what works for us.
 
Most of my 32s are way more of a bother to carry, being beautiful, blued, heavy, steel-framed constructions of an earlier era. So if I want to carry a 32, it’s because I like to carry a 32, not because it’s easier or more convenient. If I personally say I’m “comfortable” carrying a 32, it’s because I’ve weighed the caliber choices in my own mind and come to the conclusion that while, facing certain danger, I’d far rather be armed with a 75mm cannon, a quad 50, an A-10, or a platoon of Marines…. for whatever danger I am likely to face, a 32 (or 380, or 9mm, or puny 45acp, or…) will most likely be sufficient.
 
Double Naught Spy said:
Just as every caliber is a compromise of some sort, every decision/justification is a rationalization of some sort
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JR24 said:
We all just gotta do what works for us.
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I'd rather think of it as finding the right balance for our needs, instead of rationalization.


Rationalizing is what I do to justify doing something that even I know isn't sensible.

I hope that there aren't many folks looking at their carry gun as being nonsensical and actively convincing themselves to carry it anyway.
 
Rule3 said:
Is this a caliber "war" discussion?:)
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Can you define "caliber war"? I think its a nonsensical "catch all" term invoked whenever someone dislikes a discussion.

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film495 said:
I think my .32 ACP CZ-70 is a perfect carry piece.
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Perfect for wherever, whenever?
Is that what is carried if going to an area of greater anticipated threat? (That is telling)

champ0608 said:
I got the impression that the purpose of this thread was for you to tell me how it is.

The intention of my response was that you are not in a position to tell me how it is.
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Oh, you are right. I'm likely to try and tell you (others) "how it is" and I aint the only one guilty of it.
Whether I'm in the position to do so is not up to me, but rather the reader; what one deems abrasive may be enlightening to another.
At least give me credit for a unique thread topic. (That does not mean you like it, just that it is something different)
 
CDW4ME said:
Oh, you are right. I'm likely to try and tell you (others) "how it is" and I aint the only one guilty of it.
Whether I'm in the position to do so is not up to me, but rather the reader; what one deems abrasive may be enlightening to another.
At least give me credit for a unique thread topic. (That does not mean you like it, just that it is something different)
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Unique ?I think more on the lines of TROLLING .
 
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