No way in heck there is still an ammo shortage
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wbm
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And the State I am in has fewer people than your entire city. Very thankful for that.
Almost no ammunition here.
Speedo66
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We have a thread here that mentions Vista, producer of 4 or 5 brands of ammo, saying it will pretty much be getting a close to 15% increase soon.
Gas retailers, when oil futures go up, will often raise the price of existing product in their tanks. Perhaps ammo wholesalers and distributors are doing the same. The product is there, they're just charging more for it.
When 9mm goes back to $8 a box, I'll buy some more. Until then I have enough to keep me going for years, perhaps a lifetime, same for everything else i shoot.
Gas retailers, when oil futures go up, will often raise the price of existing product in their tanks. Perhaps ammo wholesalers and distributors are doing the same. The product is there, they're just charging more for it.
When 9mm goes back to $8 a box, I'll buy some more. Until then I have enough to keep me going for years, perhaps a lifetime, same for everything else i shoot.
huntsman
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Drop yes but I don’t believe it’ll be as low as some expect.
I’ve been saying my buy in price for 9mm promo ammo is $15.00 for 50 but now I believe that may be too optimistic.
DustyGmt
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My LGS is at $16/box
Riomouse911
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Just like gasoline prices. A hurricane threat to the Gulf of Mexico or a refinery fire; prices jump 50 cents a gallon overnight. Then when it’s over it takes weeks for the price to settle back down.
Stay safe.
Hokie_PhD
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I was at that Cabellas last week. They had ammo. But odds and ends. I didn’t see what OP saw.
I saw no common handgun, no common rifle. Just odds and ends of various calibers. And reloading supplies were bare. Talking to a guy that worked there he said they get stuff in and it sells quickly. I suspect OP may have been lucky and was there right after a shipment came in.
I was also at the one outside of Richmond as well as the Bass Pro nearby and it was pretty bare. Both said they get some primers and powder but it’s hit or miss. Also said they hadn’t seen any in the last few weeks. So it seems stuff is coming in in batches.
Closer to me in Central Va I see ammo now and then and prices are coming down. But not to where the shelves are stacked. Also since Walmart stopped selling most ammo a major source has dried up. It really used to be nice to run into Walmart and pick up a few boxes of ammo. And it was also nice that some of the stores had reloading supplies. But that’s now gone too.
I saw no common handgun, no common rifle. Just odds and ends of various calibers. And reloading supplies were bare. Talking to a guy that worked there he said they get stuff in and it sells quickly. I suspect OP may have been lucky and was there right after a shipment came in.
I was also at the one outside of Richmond as well as the Bass Pro nearby and it was pretty bare. Both said they get some primers and powder but it’s hit or miss. Also said they hadn’t seen any in the last few weeks. So it seems stuff is coming in in batches.
Closer to me in Central Va I see ammo now and then and prices are coming down. But not to where the shelves are stacked. Also since Walmart stopped selling most ammo a major source has dried up. It really used to be nice to run into Walmart and pick up a few boxes of ammo. And it was also nice that some of the stores had reloading supplies. But that’s now gone too.
Buying power and back orders being filled all at once. I wish the local Academy and Bass Pro had those full shelves.
Retailers are taking advantage, in order to make profits. That's what retailers are, that's what retailers do.
The prices won't start coming down, UNTIL WE ALL STOP BUYING AMMO.
Many retailers have changed the way they sell ammo, in order to keep us all freaked out, about supply. Now, many are stacking it on pallets on the floor, to give the appearance that "it's your lucky day, you better jump on this new 'shipment', before it's all gone" rather than placing it on shelves.
Retailers are going to do whatever they can, to give the appearance of a lack of ammo, to keep this false panic going, for as long as they can. They sell more ammo, and make more profits, that way.
The prices won't start coming down, UNTIL WE ALL STOP BUYING AMMO.
Many retailers have changed the way they sell ammo, in order to keep us all freaked out, about supply. Now, many are stacking it on pallets on the floor, to give the appearance that "it's your lucky day, you better jump on this new 'shipment', before it's all gone" rather than placing it on shelves.
Retailers are going to do whatever they can, to give the appearance of a lack of ammo, to keep this false panic going, for as long as they can. They sell more ammo, and make more profits, that way.
trackskippy
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I just read an article the other day saying round two on the ammo shortages may be looming, and its not what you might think. Due to all the covid BS, there is apparently a copper shortage and its starting to trickle down.
MosinT53Hunter
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Well, I am glad some places have ammo back. Here in Washington State though, its still hit and miss on where you go. 9mm, is coming back, but hens teeth can be found more often then 380. acp.
Ace Hardware: Mostly 12 gauge, a smidge of 20, 28. 6 boxes of 9mm Makarov. .223 in drips and drabs.
Bi-Mart: .22 lr is very much in stock, some 9mm defense rounds, and a little bit of .223, 7.62x39, .308, etc. Drips and drabs of 12 gauge.
Big 5 Sporting: Every two weeks, on a Thursday, they get their ammo shipment. 1 time out of 3 they might have one box of .380 acp.
9mm, 357 Magnum, 38. Special, etc in drips and drabs.
Big box stores: zilch, including Cabelas, Dicks, Sportsman Warehouse, etc.
Small LGS: Usually get the most ammo for some reason, and recently at the pawn shop there is no limit on ammo. Lots of 9mm, .223, 40, 30 Luger, etc.
Very limited .380 acp and other hard to get ammo.
I am waiting for it to even it self out before I go and buy anything but that one odd box of ammo.
Ace Hardware: Mostly 12 gauge, a smidge of 20, 28. 6 boxes of 9mm Makarov. .223 in drips and drabs.
Bi-Mart: .22 lr is very much in stock, some 9mm defense rounds, and a little bit of .223, 7.62x39, .308, etc. Drips and drabs of 12 gauge.
Big 5 Sporting: Every two weeks, on a Thursday, they get their ammo shipment. 1 time out of 3 they might have one box of .380 acp.
9mm, 357 Magnum, 38. Special, etc in drips and drabs.
Big box stores: zilch, including Cabelas, Dicks, Sportsman Warehouse, etc.
Small LGS: Usually get the most ammo for some reason, and recently at the pawn shop there is no limit on ammo. Lots of 9mm, .223, 40, 30 Luger, etc.
Very limited .380 acp and other hard to get ammo.
I am waiting for it to even it self out before I go and buy anything but that one odd box of ammo.
The only reason a gun shop will have a full ammo shelf is if they are selling at a much higher price than their local competitors.
Some of our local shops are starting to get a little ammo in stock but it's just the things that no one buys.
But just like Dibbs said "The prices won't start coming down, UNTIL WE ALL STOP BUYING AMMO."
The same goes for primers, powder, & bullets for reloading.
Some of our local shops are starting to get a little ammo in stock but it's just the things that no one buys.
But just like Dibbs said "The prices won't start coming down, UNTIL WE ALL STOP BUYING AMMO."
The same goes for primers, powder, & bullets for reloading.
LiveLife
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Maybe price?
Stevie-Ray
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That's called price gouging, to anyone except those that work for the oil companies, who will argue to the death there is no such thing.Just like gasoline prices. A hurricane threat to the Gulf of Mexico or a refinery fire; prices jump 50 cents a gallon overnight. Then when it’s over it takes weeks for the price to settle back down.
Here, it's still the same, hit Wally World, no ammo, except those niche calibers once in a while that nobody seems to want.
RealGun
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To be fair to retailers, they have to pay more too. It's all proportional.
RealGun
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Aside from the brass containing copper too, I would take lead bullets, no problem.
Jim Watson
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Local range/store announced ample ammo, no rationing per lane rental or gun purchase. Prices still high.
I can buy so much 5.56 and 7.62x51 around here in the Tampa area, its crazy, pallets of it. But it seems to be the one ammo thats taking a long time to drop as it's still averaging .75 cents around.
And FYI, ammoshoponline.com has had Norma 9mm for about $16-17 a box the past couple of months. I haven't ordered any of it but ordered some mini shot shells and they were at my door in less than 3 days. As of right now I ordered some target shells from Federal direct 2 weeks ago and they haven't even shipped them yet
And FYI, ammoshoponline.com has had Norma 9mm for about $16-17 a box the past couple of months. I haven't ordered any of it but ordered some mini shot shells and they were at my door in less than 3 days. As of right now I ordered some target shells from Federal direct 2 weeks ago and they haven't even shipped them yet
CapnMac
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We probably need to be a bit more clear on unit volumes, too.
A "box" is from 10 to 50 rounds.
A "case" is typically 1000 rounds (and, thus, a variable number of boxes).
A "pallet" is typically 20-50 cases. Or 20-50,000 rounds (whatever the weight limit is on the forklift loading the truck).
Not uncommon in 22lr for a pallet to be 100,000 rounds. That's 200 "bricks" of 22lr.
This is still time of disrupted distribution at every level from retail to factory.
Product supply will have to swell until it reaches what are perceived as 'predictable' levels before prices respond to the new supply.
Boxes of ammo have "shelf life" in retail. They get picked up, put down, people lift the flaps, the boxes get torn or dropped. So, the longer they sit around "for sale" the less sale-able they tend to become. Except in periods of high demand, when blemished boxes are of little account. But, if the .39magnumsuperblaster ammo you need is $25, and the .39magdeathray is $27, are you going to pay full price for a damaged box? The retailer will e up against that resistance, even if they paid $21 per box to have "any" to shelve at all.
This goes double for ammo made in Narnia and labeled in Elbonian, it's going to need to be significantly cheaper to sell versus that more familiar box of RemChester, once a choice becomes available.
My LGS (in Euless, pop 56K--a suburb of Ft Worth pop 900K) has pretty full shelves of ammo. Not in the same caliber selection as say, two years ago. And, I have to google search the names of much of that ammo. The prices are high, too--on almost no mark-up. Given the shop overhead, they are selling ammo at a loss. But, you can't be a gun store and not sell ammo.
A "box" is from 10 to 50 rounds.
A "case" is typically 1000 rounds (and, thus, a variable number of boxes).
A "pallet" is typically 20-50 cases. Or 20-50,000 rounds (whatever the weight limit is on the forklift loading the truck).
Not uncommon in 22lr for a pallet to be 100,000 rounds. That's 200 "bricks" of 22lr.
This is still time of disrupted distribution at every level from retail to factory.
Product supply will have to swell until it reaches what are perceived as 'predictable' levels before prices respond to the new supply.
Boxes of ammo have "shelf life" in retail. They get picked up, put down, people lift the flaps, the boxes get torn or dropped. So, the longer they sit around "for sale" the less sale-able they tend to become. Except in periods of high demand, when blemished boxes are of little account. But, if the .39magnumsuperblaster ammo you need is $25, and the .39magdeathray is $27, are you going to pay full price for a damaged box? The retailer will e up against that resistance, even if they paid $21 per box to have "any" to shelve at all.
This goes double for ammo made in Narnia and labeled in Elbonian, it's going to need to be significantly cheaper to sell versus that more familiar box of RemChester, once a choice becomes available.
My LGS (in Euless, pop 56K--a suburb of Ft Worth pop 900K) has pretty full shelves of ammo. Not in the same caliber selection as say, two years ago. And, I have to google search the names of much of that ammo. The prices are high, too--on almost no mark-up. Given the shop overhead, they are selling ammo at a loss. But, you can't be a gun store and not sell ammo.
bassjam
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I'd say we're certainly over the hump on the ammo shortage and things are getting better. Every time I'm in a Cabelas or Bass Pro in the last couple months I see 5.56 and .308, and 9mm seems more common too. Some of the local shops have plenty of the common calibers too, it's just priced far higher than I'm willing to spend. But everything isn't back yet, I haven't seen .380 or any regular 12 and 20 gauge low brass game loads in quite a while.
lightman
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Ammo is starting to show up around here and the prices are slowly dropping. But neither the quanaty nor the prices are back to the pre panic ranges yet.
Since Remington was sold I have noticed that the plant near me had a full parking lot every day. We are also starting to see Remington posters in store windows, something that was missing in the past.
I think some on line places neglect updating their web sites which may explain why some of them show inventory while others don't.
Powder and Primers are not showing up around here yet.
Since Remington was sold I have noticed that the plant near me had a full parking lot every day. We are also starting to see Remington posters in store windows, something that was missing in the past.
I think some on line places neglect updating their web sites which may explain why some of them show inventory while others don't.
Powder and Primers are not showing up around here yet.
Shelves are still sparse on the northern plains, but I did see domestic 9mm fmj on shelves at $16/box of 50 yesterday. Powders are trickling in but primers are still rare. Things are improving, but hoarding/speculating is slowing the recovery.
trackskippy
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I think youre confused. A "box" is 1000 to 5000 rounds, depending on caliber.
And I really miss those 2000 round "boxes" of Norinco/China Sports 9mm at $125 a box. I wish we would just kiss and make up so they can import it, and some other stuff again.
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