Those junk Hi-Point C9 pistols

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joneb said:
So I guess if Iver Johnson had used two or three times the amount of pot metal it may have lasted a bit longer:confused:
There is a reason we don't make butter knives out of butter.
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You need to understand somethings about materials and gun design. I have not seen your Iver Johnson and I do not know exactly what pot metal was used in it. Hipoints are rated for plus P ammo. And, they are not the equal of a high quality smith and wesson. But the materials as used in their designs result in the guns that will withstand a lot of shooting with 9mm ammo. Throwing a HiPoint very hard against a wall can break the plastic on them. They are not glocks. The barrels are seamless steel that is amply strong for the application at hand.

tarosean said:
Name the car parts that are made of Zamak.
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Let us google it. Here is one thing and there are many others. There multiple zamak alloys also. Take a look at you car and see how many parts are not magnetic.
Parts for geared-motor housing

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mjsdwash said:
oh come on.... theire junk! For a few dollars more you could bye an HK MK23, or Korth, or Les Bayer.
Wait... did we already get that out of the way?

If not, what can you buy for "a little more" beyond a fantasy from a long closed pawn shop in the 1980's?

I've been meaning to get one for years, but never get around to it. They have a few real uses, and I have nothing really bad to say about them, except the take down. AT least 9mm.

Does anyone here have a .45? I handled one at a store, and felt like I picked up a cinder block. I remember it weighing 5lbs. If anyone has a 45 model, can you get me a weight on it?
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I have one in .45; test fired, it worked, and just have not gone back to it. Nothing wrong with it, but I prefer my 1911.
 
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barnetmill said:
You need to understand somethings about materials and gun design.
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I saw a Hi-point today the freaking thing seemed really thick, just how thick are they?
I don't mean to bash someone on a budget or just looking for a cheap firearm, I've been there myself:)
 
joneb said:
I saw a Hi-point today the freaking thing seemed really thick, just how thick are they?
I don't mean to bash someone on a budget or just looking for a cheap firearm, I've been there myself:)
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That is because of the materials and using a straight blowback design using full size military & police pistol calibers. We are saying that they work, not they are the best choice. If they would used a gas retarded or delayed blowback system to slow down the slide, the guns could be thinner. Would raise the price and add a complication to the design.


Gas-delayed or retarded blowback should not be confused with gas-operation. The bolt is never locked, and so is pushed rearward by the expanding propellant gases, as in other blowback-based designs. However, propellant gases are vented from the barrel into a cylinder with a piston that delays the opening of the slide or bolt for a rifle.
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I just posted this to show that a Hi-Point was pretty accurate even when shot by a shaky old geezer. I suppose I should have expected all the fuss because it is a Hi Point and they have a lot of haters. I have one because it was a gift, a freebie, to experiment and play with and I am enjoying doing so. Does it compare to a 1911 in 9 mm, no, a Sig, no, or almost any other make of wonder 9. Why would anyone expect it to at it's price point?

I'm done with this and will confine my posts to "good" guns from now on.
 
[QUOTE="Buckeye63,]
Hi-Points CS is second to none
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Almost all of the guns in my collection have never needed CS of any kind.
 
doubleh said:
I just posted this to show that a Hi-Point was pretty accurate even when shot by a shaky old geezer. I suppose I should have expected all the fuss because it is a Hi Point and they have a lot of haters. I have one because it was a gift, a freebie, to experiment and play with and I am enjoying doing so. Does it compare to a 1911 in 9 mm, no, a Sig, no, or almost any other make of wonder 9. Why would anyone expect it to at it's price point?

I'm done with this and will confine my posts to "good" guns from now on.
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No matter what brand you like, someone will say it is junk. People have gotten bad Smith & Wessons and Rugers, and I am sure some people judge Colt on the basis of the Colt 2000. It's like the old song: "You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself."

Thanks for posting the good results you had with a High Point. First hand experience, good or bad, is always useful to know about.
 
They work.

The problem was approached in a simple fashion which doesn't require any fine - tuning or finesse.

Many have found their homes as "tractor guns," thrown in there with all those rattling tools.

Once America descends into abject poverty, guess who'll have the last laugh.
 
Monac said:
No matter what brand you like, someone will say it is junk. People have gotten bad Smith & Wessons and Rugers, and I am sure some people judge Colt on the basis of the Colt 2000. It's like the old song: "You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself."

Thanks for posting the good results you had with a High Point. First hand experience, good or bad, is always useful to know about.
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A glock is basically a HiPoint with refinements. The barrels of both are made as cheaply as possible as are the frames. For years I was leery of a glock until I purchased and shot one.
 
My only beef with Hi-Points aren't that they don't work, aren't accurate or lack longevity. They aren't any of those things. It's the ridiculous cost of ammunition.
If ammunition was always $9/50 for 9mm FMJ (it wasn't that long ago that it was) or better yet, someone was supplying all the ammo I could shoot for free, I would be all over the Hi-Point. Before anyone suggests reloading, I've been casting and reloading my own going on two decades now.

With even the most economical 9mm selling for $25+, I can't get over the thought of putting that kind of money through a Hi-Point unless indeed that's the only pistol I had.
I suppose my brain goes to some admittedly lame thought such as "ammo's too expensive for a HI-Point" or "Life is too short for a Hi-Point". I'm well aware how little sense this makes, but it's actually the hang-up I suffer from.

I'm also aware that many Hi-Points have proven themselves as robust as their longevity has seen it through, according to some, thousands of rounds of ammunition and I won't contest that. However, my strange thought-process gravitates to the idea that... he spent quite a bit of dough (worth of ammunition) to feed his Hi-Point. For example, if someone said they had put 2k rounds through his .45acp Hi-Point pistol, I immediately start doing the math nearly subconsciously... at today's prices, he's saying he sent around $1000 worth of ammunition through his $170 "budget" pistol. That's presuming he's using inexpensive Russian FMJ and not the much more expensive brass-cased stuff.

Again, would this make much sense to the typical gun owner? Likely not, but it's the hang-up I have. On the flip side, I don't have such thoughts when someone says they have a couple thousand rounds through a military surplus that cost him about the same as a Hi-Point. I just try not to think about it. Hi-Point have proven themselves to make perfectly fine firearms backed up by a stellar warranty and customer service.

No one should be ashamed to own one! It just makes less sense to me in today's (ammunition/reloading component) market unless one does not intend to shoot it much.
 
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The Glockodile said:
They work.

The problem was approached in a simple fashion which doesn't require any fine - tuning or finesse.

Many have found their homes as "tractor guns," thrown in there with all those rattling tools.

Once America descends into abject poverty, guess who'll have the last laugh.
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I was going to ask why America was going to descend into abject poverty, but the answer is probably political, and I have resolved not to encourage that kind of thread drift.

Personally, I have more faith in Americans than to believe any such thing, but it was true for pretty much all of the 1930's, so who am I to say it can't happen again?
 
The Glockodile said:
Once America descends into abject poverty, guess who'll have the last laugh.
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the people whom can afford ammunition.. sorry but if your gun cost less than a box of ammo or two your kind of screwed.

(yes using the inflated ammo costs of late)
 
Yep butt ugly, utterly reliable, and wicked cheap to own! Whats not to like here guys.:p I have one in each vehicle as my load it, holster it, toss it in the truck/car and forgetaboutit backup plan. That is after after a good long function test period. Will not hurt my feelings if one gets dirty, banged up or otherwise trashed as long as it still functions as needed. Seems they are quite tough to go along with the ugly.:D
 
I've never thought they (at least the 9mm, C-9) were all that much uglier than any other plastic 9mm. I had one for a time, shot it quite a bit, and it worked just fine. Sold it for more than I paid for it when I got bored with it.
 
barnetmill said:
You need to understand somethings about materials and gun design. I have not seen your Iver Johnson and I do not know exactly what pot metal was used in it. Hipoints are rated for plus P ammo. And, they are not the equal of a high quality smith and wesson. But the materials as used in their designs result in the guns that will withstand a lot of shooting with 9mm ammo. Throwing a HiPoint very hard against a wall can break the plastic on them. They are not glocks. The barrels are seamless steel that is amply strong for the application at hand..
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So what if the pistol is butt ugly, if it goes bang, is affordable, I am OK with that. Maybe on the next Regime change the price on 1911's will drop, maybe not. I am hoping for another four years of Trump as I was able to buy a GI RIA for $400! I recently read a review of a $1250 1911, not everyone wants to spend that sort of money. I also buy Taurus pistols, and they work, and they are "cheap". So call me cheap.

I am unfamiliar with Zamak so I looked up some web pages.

Funmark Note: 71.4% of their sales are in automotive.

Belt buckles are made out of Zamak! And other things.

ZnC Zamak
 
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