New employee, how to ask if you can carry on the job?

I would first look in the employee handbook and then I would ask my boss.

Look in employee book. Dont ask anyone.

Concealed is concealed. It's none of their buisness.

Zerodefect said:

Look in employee book. Dont ask anyone.

Concealed is concealed. It's none of their buisness.

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I would much rather have a conversation with my boss and know 100% that I am not going to loose my job if someone notices I am carrying. Then again that might depend on how much someone likes/needs the job. I have never had a job were I can carry but I have never had a job where I could not and did not have that conversation with my boss.

What for.

Your boss doesnt make the handbook, does he?

Encoreman said:

. I have always heard if they don't say you can't it means you can.

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I'd be careful with that "always heard". In some states if you're carrying where the property owner has forbidden it, you'll be asked to leave. If you leave then no-harm, no-foul. Of course if it's your employer you might also be asked to never come back.

BUT

In some states if you're discovered carrying where the owner has forbidden it, and assuming they followed procedures, you can be charged right then and there with a crime.

KNOW YOUR STATE AND LOCAL LAWS FIRST.

Encoreman said:

I have always heard if they don't say you can't it means you can.

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If you're old enough to have a job, you should know that's not true.

I'd discretely look for, or ask for, a written workplace policy guide. I have, for "no reason in particular, I'd just like to be clear on what's expected of me."

If it's not forbidden in writing, then you know something.

Ask if the company has a concealed carry policy on the premises or on the job if travel is required. When visiting customer premises you are covered by their policy.

If you carry without specific permission your job is at risk. What about a negligent discharge? You'll need the best attorney, about $800 an hour!

Smiles,

I only speak for myself; this post does not constitute advice.

I do construction at various commercial buildings, I do carry but I am always looking for a sign on the door when I arrive thats says guns are not welcome, most of the time I do not see one, but there has been a few times where it is posted and when I come across the anti gun signs I carefully put it back in my work truck and don't bring it the next day. I straight up asked the bosses what there take is on carrying a conceled pistol with the proper permit at my job interview, because if it was forbidden I would not have accepted the job

Encoreman said:

. . . how would one know the owner has forbidden it. One isn't expected to be a mind reader???

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That's the idea of asking for a handbook. If you make a reasonable effort to find out, and such prohibition is not communicated, then it's NOT prohibited. Prohibitions that are communicated via clairvoyance aren't.

You can still be fired, but not for violating a prohibition.

Encoreman said:

Good point, however if it isn't posted on every entrance and they didn't give you or they may not have a handbook, how would one know the owner has forbidden it. One isn't expected to be a mind reader???

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I don't know all the state and local laws, but I do know in some situations in some locals, it is CCW forbidden unless posted otherwise, or you have express written permission. In my state that applies to houses of worship which differs from all other public property.

I think the saying is, IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE.

Just know your state and local laws first. Then go from there.

It also depends on state laws. My old employer didn’t want us to carry but the state laws said we could have them in our vehicles on their parking lot. So the company said they didn’t want them in the building.

State Laws.

Company by - laws.

Prevailing mindset of colleagues and co - workers.

Depends on just how much you like / need your job weighed against your right (ehrm, need) to carry a concealed pistol.

Always best to tread lightly and know the land first instead of having a plan to kill (ehrm, defend yourself from) everyone you meet

I tend to work for smaller companies and keep up a relationship with my employers. It has never hurt my situation to simply ask what the firearm policy at work was. This has often worked in my favor so all expectations are clear and above the table. When riots started up in my area last year my boss called me up and let me know he was okay of I was carrying a pistol while things were more interesting. During hunting season they allow me to store my firearms and gear in the office so they don't have to hang out in my vehicle all day. This is great as I've squeezed in a bunch of 2-4 hour hunts after work. The same applied to a day some friends and I were doing a range day and training after work. My situation is unique as is yours so do what you feel is best, maybe casually bring up that you went hunting or did a firearm competition and see how your employer responds to the completely legal thing you did in your personal time? Then decide if you can ask more details without repercussions.

Scout the parking lot for Ducks Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and Gadsden Flag stickers on vehicles. Ask the vehicle owners after work. Then clarify it with the boss.

I’d wait a while and feel the place out. If you ask and are told no you will always be the gun guy. If you decide to carry anyway there are lots of considerations; How risky is your work environment, how small is your industry (if you got fired would you be black balled), how bad do you need the job.

Here was someone in the shooting community who got made and was unemployed for a year.

If I need to carry to do their job, they aren't paying enough.

Jack Ryan said:

If I need to carry to do their job, they aren't paying enough.

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Thats just an asinine comment, really man.

As to the topic my work prohibits firearms in the handbook, but thats literally what it is says. So a handful of gun guys/CC's got together and asked about keeping guns in our vehicles. That was fine, just don't have them on you "at work".

I still know one guy who pocket carries anyway.

Jack Ryan said:

If I need to carry to do their job, they aren't paying enough.

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Where is the "dislike" button?

For starters, I would never post anything on social media indicating how I felt about firearms or the carrying thereof, unless you're in an occupation where you are required or expected to carry firearms.

bratch said:

I’d wait a while and feel the place out. If you ask and are told no you will always be the gun guy. If you decide to carry anyway there are lots of considerations; How risky is your work environment, how small is your industry (if you got fired would you be black balled), how bad do you need the job.

Here was someone in the shooting community who got made and was unemployed for a year.

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Yeah, I've seen this video with this whiner before.

Jack Ryan said:

If I need to carry to do their job, they aren't paying enough.

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Guessin' you don't need to carry at all then, ever. 'Cause we all know the point of carrying firearms is that we all always know when we need to have one on us, right? Oh... wait... never mind.

alfsauve said:

I don't know all the state and local laws, but I do know in some situations in some locals, it is CCW forbidden unless posted otherwise, or you have express written permission.

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I'm not saying that isn't true, but I have never heard of it. I always thought CCW was permitted everywhere except where forbidden by municipal, state, or federal law, or any property that is posted as "no CCW" by the owner. I haven't been to all 50 states, but I've been to quite a few, and I've never seen a sign saying "CCW allowed here."

I fixed the problem at my last job. CC by employees was prohibited. I retired.I carry as I please there now which is frequently as I go about my errands. It's an OC state and nobody really cares. In terms of actual need to carry, that retail chain had only one known shooting, it didn't involve store employees, it was gangbangers trying to establish turf. I spoke to that store manager once and he didn't particularly appreciate being administratively transferred from the store. He worked his way back to his hometown. Corporations don't make good decisions.

The reality is that CC inside a building where you work isn't that much of a major issue. There are more separated spouses coming in the back door demanding the car keys as they exit the relationship - with a gun - than shooters looking for revenge etc. It's when you exit the building and go fill up, etc where the risk rises.

bratch said:

I’d wait a while and feel the place out. If you ask and are told no you will always be the gun guy. If you decide to carry anyway there are lots of considerations; How risky is your work environment, how small is your industry (if you got fired would you be black balled), how bad do you need the job.

Here was someone in the shooting community who got made and was unemployed for a year.

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I remember when the video made the rounds. He was pretty screwed, worked in a field where there wasn't a ton of options in his area. Each person will have to decide for him or her self. The first point is obviously legal (eg don't CCW if you work in a place that's actually illegal to be armed). Then you have to consider the repercussions if you get made/caught. If I worked as a convenience store clerk in a bigger city I'd probably take my chances regardless of policy. A job like that is easy to replace and they get robbed frequently. But if you have a really good job you have to weigh the pros and cons.