Have suppressor laws changed recently?

MachIVshooter said:

When someone says "escape", I take that to mean disappeared into the woods or around a hill, not "started running". Unless you hunt with hand grenades or a howitzer, you need to be able to see the animal to shoot it.
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How do they disappear??? They don't turn invisible do they, no they walk or run away. Movement is the most visible thing in the woods. If you stop moving you can easily see movement. If you are always moving through you may never see movement. I walk slowly though the woods stopping frequently to look around for movement.

dogtown tom said:

Does your target wear earplugs?
Come to Texas, hunt feral hogs, learn why 30 round mags and a silencer are useful.

Same goes for prarie dogs, squirrels, rabbits, coyotes, etc...........they don't spook.

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Love to.

When?

Another station heard from:

I am not a hunter or plinker.
NRA, IDPA, and USPSA don't allow silencers so I am not in the market.

AK Hunter said:

How do they disappear??? They don't turn invisible do they, no they walk or run away. Movement is the most visible thing in the woods. If you stop moving you can easily see movement. If you are always moving through you may never see movement. I walk slowly though the woods stopping frequently to look around for movement.

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I don't know where you hunt, but in the Rockies, an elk, moose or mulie moving at a leisurely saunter may only present you with a shot for a second or two, often requiring you to make a noise that distracts them for an instant to pause before they carry on, often at a quicker pace than before. Yes, they most certainly do disappear into trees, around rocks or over hills quicker than you can do anything besides raise, aim and fire, if that. And once they're out of sight, the chances that you'll see them again pursuing them ain't real good; they hear you coming and pick up the pace, and I dunno about you, but I'm a normal human being and can't keep up with an ungulate blazing through the rocks and trees at 30 MPH. I tried to chase a cougar for a picture once, and that thing got better than 200 yards up the mountain before I could make it 50 feet.

Like I said, if cans aren't your bag, fine. Your ears, your problem. But don't make these silly assertions that there's no benefit because somehow you're always able to find the time to get ear pro on/in, or don't mind the impulse of an unsuppressed shot.

MachIVshooter said:

Yes, they most certainly do disappear into trees,

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There was a gunzine writer who made it to Africa and admitted that the animals and backgrounds were so alien to his experience, that he could not even see the beasts to start with.

MachIVshooter said:

You do recognize that hearing loss has infinite levels between "not quite perfect" and "stone deaf", right?

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Most people either don't realize this or refuse to believe it to be true. There isn't a shooter alive with any level of hearing that can tell you the amount of hearing loss they have experienced without being tested on a machine. They don't know if they have lost 10%, 20%, 30% or how much. A somewhat common reaction audiologists get to see is when people with hearing loss are shown the spectrum of loss that they have experienced, often without realizing they have experienced hearing loss until they were tested. Most people don't give hearing loss a second thought until it starts to affect conversation with other adults or until they realize that they can't understand or can't hear what their higher pitched grandchildren are saying to them.

Yeah, I have both tinnitus and hearing loss that isn’t bad enough to be covered by health insurance, but it is noticeable to both my wife and me.

Is the hearing loss from concerts, loud exhausts on cars, lawn mowers or shooting guns without proper hearing protection? I can’t tell you, and neither can my doctors. But if you make the guns quieter, that takes one of those possible causes away.

I like silencers on rifles & handguns, it makes shooting more enjoyable and are worth the costs and non-paperwork hassles.

Now if you want to hear me rant on the so-called background checks, here goes. They aren’t real background checks, as I’ve had those, and you quickly find out they are going on. Second, the law doesn’t expressly say HOW the background check is to be done, or even WHO is supposed to do it, causing the delays we see. Under the existing law, you could just as easily automate it, or do it at the point of sale. No reasons for the months long delays.

Finally, I don’t like paying ANY tax, but until someone brings it in front of a sympathetic US Supreme Court, we are stuck with it.

Not meaning to be so far off THR in writing this but I’m thunderstruck by so many replies from red herrings to what can only in my mind be considered pride in the obtuse. And it’s sad to see here, particularly in a thread that offers a straightforward explanation of a useful product.

I would love to own suppressors for every firearm in my safes. Some time soon I’ll begin with my first. I’m excited that the process has been refined to the point where a guided kiosk makes things easy. I look forward to enjoying the benefits, and I thank those participating here in a sensible manner.

The process is not any harder then buying a regular gun. The only bad part is the wait. I don’t like shooting anything unsuppressed anymore.

556Suppressed said:

The process is not any harder then buying a regular gun. The only bad part is the wait. I don’t like shooting anything unsuppressed anymore.

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It's not HARD but I do not have to take fingerprints and mail away stuff to get a "regular gun." Do you, he asked suspiciously....

Skylerbone said:

Not meaning to be so far off THR in writing this but I’m thunderstruck by so many replies from red herrings to what can only in my mind be considered pride in the obtuse. And it’s sad to see here, particularly in a thread that offers a straightforward explanation of a useful product.

I would love to own suppressors for every firearm in my safes. Some time soon I’ll begin with my first. I’m excited that the process has been refined to the point where a guided kiosk makes things easy. I look forward to enjoying the benefits, and I thank those participating here in a sensible manner.

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shoobe01 said:

It's not HARD but I do not have to take fingerprints and mail away stuff to get a "regular gun." Do you, he asked suspiciously....

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My local dealer just has fingerprints and picture on file. So I just buy the suppressor and sign two papers and I’m out the door in five minutes. Then. Six- eight months later get the call to pick it up. They even do the $200 check for me.

Uhh... I didn't know that was a thing. Useful but everywhere I've been/asked they want new each time so it's a bit tedious.

Need more dealers to do this then!

shoobe01 said:

Uhh... I didn't know that was a thing. Useful but everywhere I've been/asked they want new each time so it's a bit tedious.

Need more dealers to do this then!

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It makes it addicting. I’m around 20 suppressors right now and still wanting more

Anything to help prevent hearing loss is a good thing. I spent quite a long time in the Army being exposed to gunfire, explosions, and heavy equipment. Plus years of riding motorcycles didn't help much. I can tell you first hand that having hearing loss AND tinnitus is absolutely no fun. I deal with constant ringing all day everyday. Having to wear hearing aids is a pain too.

Yes it would be nice for suppressors to be removed from the NFA. But until that happens, I'll pay the tax.

12Bravo20 said:

Yes it would be nice for suppressors to be removed from the NFA. But until that happens, I'll pay the tax.

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Simple, but sound, statement......
I agree completely.....

12Bravo20 said:

Anything to help prevent hearing loss is a good thing. I spent quite a long time in the Army being exposed to gunfire, explosions, and heavy equipment. Plus years of riding motorcycles didn't help much. I can tell you first hand that having hearing loss AND tinnitus is absolutely no fun. I deal with constant ringing all day everyday. Having to wear hearing aids is a pain too.

Yes it would be nice for suppressors to be removed from the NFA. But until that happens, I'll pay the tax.

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I agree with this. I’ve been shooting competitively all my life and even with muffs it’s not enough protection. I have hearing damage from all the high round counts with muffs on. The suppressor adds a second set of ear pro to the mix. I wish I would of started getting into them years prior.

shoobe01 said:

Uhh... I didn't know that was a thing. Useful but everywhere I've been/asked they want new each time so it's a bit tedious.

Need more dealers to do this then!

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Using Silencer Shop, you just need to find one of their Kiosks and get your fingerprints scanned in. You can submit a photo with your phone. Even if you need the cards, they will send you printed fingerprint cards for a fee. Silencer Shop's website will show you where their affiliated dealers are and where their kiosks are.

I have never used Silencer Central, but in their interviews, they say they will send you a finger print kit to do your own finger prints to send back.

Shooting with a suppressor at the range just isn't the same as shooting out in the woods (a private range) with no other noise. I just enjoy it. Most larger centerfire rifles will still be a little loud with supersonic ammo, but taming the rifle's blast makes a lot of difference to me.

One suppressor that has surprised me a bit is the OSS 7.62 rifle suppressor. The low back pressure seems to make it pretty quiet at the ear. I have shot it on a couple AK's and it does great with little gas in the face. I have the 5.56 version in NFA jail now. I am tempted to get their 9mm suppressor.

On pricing, the cheapest rifle suppressor I see these days is the Witt Machine suppressors ($200 to $300). They do pretty good for their size. The Liberty Constitution and Yankee Hill Turbo are in the $300 to $400 range. With the tax stamp, that still only gets you to $500 to $600. So you can get started with centerfire rifle without breaking the bank (depending on bank size).

The best all around can I recommend to anyone looking for a 30 caliber one is the nomad30. Perfect size, weight and suppression balance

Mike OTDP said:

I disagree. It's true that MG ownership has been priced nearly out of the reach of many people, but suppressors always appealed to a different market. They're NFA for people who aren't into NFA...or at least not into the mag dump aspects of it. But if you're a precision-oriented shooter, a suppressor is an interesting accessory.

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Getting a suppressor has got my wife shooting centerfire rifles, she still flinches when a shooter nearby fires without a suppressor, but its been a good start. She usually does about 16 hits out of 20 on steel plates at 300 yards with the AR15 that I set up for her, a lot of guys at our club do worse on the 200 yard plates.

Double Naught Spy said:

Most people either don't realize this or refuse to believe it to be true. There isn't a shooter alive with any level of hearing that can tell you the amount of hearing loss they have experienced without being tested on a machine. They don't know if they have lost 10%, 20%, 30% or how much. A somewhat common reaction audiologists get to see is when people with hearing loss are shown the spectrum of loss that they have experienced, often without realizing they have experienced hearing loss until they were tested. Most people don't give hearing loss a second thought until it starts to affect conversation with other adults or until they realize that they can't understand or can't hear what their higher pitched grandchildren are saying to them.

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I've been told that any time you hear a ringing in your ear that it's basically that sound frequency doing its swan song and you'll never hear that frequency again. After that, there was only a few times I shot unprotected and when I heard that ringing it made me think twice about it and usually double up on plugs and muffs. I wish I had suppressors but I'm stubborn like others and don't feel like sending in prints, photos, $$$ and waiting X amount of months or year + just to muffle my shooting.

I don't shoot subsonic ammo or have any .30cal guns and most of my shooting or interest in them would be based on my 5.56 AR's and even then, while it quiets the report a lil there is still a supersonic crack that necessitates ear pro so to me it's not worth the time, money and effort. If they were just a simple OTC device I'd probably have 10 of them......


I'd like one, if I spent more time with others who use them I might have more of a fire under my butt to make it happen but as of now I've only ever seen one suppressor in action at my range and it was awesome. It was mounted on a AR10 .308 and it was more of a deep thunk sound and I shot next to that guy all day with no problems. If I spend more time around folks who have them, maybe then I will.....