Elkins45
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It sounds like your guns own you, not the other way around. I don’t want my life to be limited like that. I went down that rabbit hole for a few years and I’m happy to be free of it.
Carry Everywhere You Can
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bdickens
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Or maybe he's an enthusiast.
Like sports fanatics and hot-rodders are.
Like sports fanatics and hot-rodders are.
Ethan Verity
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That overused saying still rings true "I would rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it". I am always armed, and am grateful to live in a very gun friendly state where "gun free zone" signs do not hold the weight of the law. That wasn't by chance, I have turned down some job opportunities in other states to be where I am. I personally avoid states that insist my life has so little value, that I should not be allowed to defend it with the most effective tool.
Good Ol' Boy
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I feel like this thread is going off the rails, maybe not, depending on the mod.
I don't want to get it shut down because new folks deserve to have the knowledge here.
If you base your state of living on cruises, air plane rides and what neighborhood you live in or what job you have then that's fine. Just don't portray your distortion of reality on those that are looking for guidance.
Its sad that society has been conditioned and demoralized the way it has. Nowhere is there a law saying to only keep a fire extinguisher in your home but not in your vehicle. Nowhere is there a law where you can wear a seat belt in one county but not another.
These are all precautionary steps one takes on a day to day basis. Yet none of them are mentioned in the Constitution. None of them are God given rights. But somehow firearms have become the outlier.
Folks that can't see the problem are lost...even if you personally don't want to partake in those rights.
I don't want to get it shut down because new folks deserve to have the knowledge here.
If you base your state of living on cruises, air plane rides and what neighborhood you live in or what job you have then that's fine. Just don't portray your distortion of reality on those that are looking for guidance.
Its sad that society has been conditioned and demoralized the way it has. Nowhere is there a law saying to only keep a fire extinguisher in your home but not in your vehicle. Nowhere is there a law where you can wear a seat belt in one county but not another.
These are all precautionary steps one takes on a day to day basis. Yet none of them are mentioned in the Constitution. None of them are God given rights. But somehow firearms have become the outlier.
Folks that can't see the problem are lost...even if you personally don't want to partake in those rights.
Bazoo
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My wife would be okay with me not carrying sometimes, if it was a place she wanted to go. Disneyland is one of those places. So I asked her, if just that one time I didn't carry so we could go to Disneyland, and that happened to be the one time a shooting there happened and our son was killed, would she say, "that was just the price we paid for the freedom to go where we pleased unrestricted by guns". Her answer was no, She said paraphrase, she'd blame herself for insisting I go unarmed.
Everyone makes their own choices, I choose to be armed.
Everyone makes their own choices, I choose to be armed.
Elkins45
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What would you think about a sports fan whose family was starving but still refused an otherwise perfect job because it required him to wear a shirt with the company logo instead of his favorite team jersey? Or a hot-rodder who refuses to ride in any vehicle that has a functioning emission control system?
When it controls your major life choices it goes beyond enthusiasm. You are perfectly free to make these choices, but they place such a strict limitation on your life. At some point exercising your freedom begins to be a restriction all its own.
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I was a police officer for 2+ years, KY did not have concealed carry then (92-94) so that was a perk I liked (a lot). KY got concealed carry in 95-96.
I became a teacher in 97-98, concealed carry was a felony, 19 years of no carry at work (I did not like that).
Took early retirement (significant punishment of annuity) about 4 years ago and I carry everywhere legal, avoid where I can't.
Have not been on a plane or cruise in 30+ years and do not intend to change that.
Vacationed in FL every year for 20+ years, moved here months ago - I now live where I use to vacation, and carry everywhere, got it made.
Anchorite
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Well said. Very well said, Sir. Thank you.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...nient-is-it-for-you-to-carry-everyday.892813/
Most on the high road doesn’t consider carrying a problem at all!
Most on the high road doesn’t consider carrying a problem at all!
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Most on the high road doesn’t consider carrying a problem at all!
Nice.
Basic protection "better than nothing" like a 380 LCP in pocket can't be (is not) much effort.
If a pocket 380/38 is the best one is willing to do, it is better than nothing.
That said, I don't use "better than nothing" as a criteria to select the pistol I'm carrying in case lethal force is justified (somebody(s) trying to kill me).
My philosophy is strive to carry a handgun I'd prefer in hand to defend my life, regardless of where, Glock 19 is preferred over a pocket 380.
But, a pocket 380 would be preferred over no gun (begging / pleading / mean words / fist) and can't understandably be considered a burden to carry.
Not carrying when one otherwise could is willingness to potentially be a unarmed victim, at the "mercy" discretion / whim of criminals / psychos.
Bazoo
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To me, carrying a gun is partly about freedom. The freedom to do as I please. Going on a cruise or flying is a choice I could make. But it's a choice to give up my freedom. My ability to choose to carry a gun, and now, my freedom of choice to not wear a mask, and not be tested for covid.
If freedom to you(anyone reading) is to go to an airport, subject yourself to the possibility of strip search, forced masking, and disarmament, so you can see the sights elsewhere, I won't try to dissuade you.
To me freedom, as limiting as it may seem, is the ability to choose to carry my gun.
I do not completely rule out things that don't alloy me to be armed. I once took a hunter ed course at a school, so I could get a hunting license. Being unarmed a few hours though is much less of a compromise than if I'd went on a cruise or to fly somewhere, where id be unarmed 2 weeks. It's risk assessment. Except for an occasional post office visit, I haven't been unarmed since.
In other words, doing things that unarms you for long periods of time, such as cruises or flights, puts you at much higher risk of being involved in an incident and thus, having need of a firearm for defense.
If freedom to you(anyone reading) is to go to an airport, subject yourself to the possibility of strip search, forced masking, and disarmament, so you can see the sights elsewhere, I won't try to dissuade you.
To me freedom, as limiting as it may seem, is the ability to choose to carry my gun.
I do not completely rule out things that don't alloy me to be armed. I once took a hunter ed course at a school, so I could get a hunting license. Being unarmed a few hours though is much less of a compromise than if I'd went on a cruise or to fly somewhere, where id be unarmed 2 weeks. It's risk assessment. Except for an occasional post office visit, I haven't been unarmed since.
In other words, doing things that unarms you for long periods of time, such as cruises or flights, puts you at much higher risk of being involved in an incident and thus, having need of a firearm for defense.
I don't get it.
That's what people said about riding motorcycles without helmets in IL and IA. Why?
I carry for one reason only--self preservation.
Bazoo
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Personal freedom. I don't know how to explain it.
An example,
I am completely opposed to smoking. I don't smoke, my mom died of cancer from smoking. However I am completely opposed to the governments war on smoking. It should be my choice to smoke or not, not imposed on me.
The same with carrying a gun, I want it to be my choice and mine alone.
I carry for 4 reasons I can think of. Personal and family protection, the feeling of security, because I like guns, and because I'm excercising the right.
An example,
I am completely opposed to smoking. I don't smoke, my mom died of cancer from smoking. However I am completely opposed to the governments war on smoking. It should be my choice to smoke or not, not imposed on me.
The same with carrying a gun, I want it to be my choice and mine alone.
I carry for 4 reasons I can think of. Personal and family protection, the feeling of security, because I like guns, and because I'm excercising the right.
Agree.
That does not make me want to carry one.
The first two are redundant.
I like guns, too, but that doesn't make me want to strap one on.
"Exercising the right"? What does that accomplish for you? Would you stoke up the fireplace in August for that reason?
AlexanderA
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The burden of carrying, that I mentioned before, is only partly physical. In fact I would say that the physical burden is way down on the list of disadvantages.
More important are the things that happen both before and after the physical act of carrying:
Before: Licensing (in the states that require it). The mandatory training that goes with the licensing. And once you have the license, you are subject to further scrutiny. For example, in Virginia, all licensed gun carriers are on a police database, that's available to any officer that's conducting a traffic stop. Depending on the officer (particularly if you happen to be a minority), this could turn out very badly for you. (Ironically, the State Police registry of machine gun owners is not available online.)
What's worse is that the gun-carrying database is tied to car license plate numbers. Thus, if my wife (who basically cares nothing about guns) is driving my car, she might face the same adverse treatment.
After: If, heaven forbid, you actually have to use your carry piece, you'll be in a world of hurt legally, whether the shooting is justified or not. Yes, I know that the argument is that you're better off having defended yourself (regardless of the legal consequences) rather than having fallen victim. But, if you are armed, the temptation might be to escalate rather than de-escalate. (This happens seemingly all the time in "road rage" incidents.) This doesn't seem to be a problem in self-defense scenarios at home. But the combination of cars and guns is problematic, especially now that people are so stressed out.
(All these things have to do not about whether you have a right to carry, but whether it's wise to do so. And these are not factors that would preclude carry, but only factors that go into the mix when weighing the pros and cons.)
More important are the things that happen both before and after the physical act of carrying:
Before: Licensing (in the states that require it). The mandatory training that goes with the licensing. And once you have the license, you are subject to further scrutiny. For example, in Virginia, all licensed gun carriers are on a police database, that's available to any officer that's conducting a traffic stop. Depending on the officer (particularly if you happen to be a minority), this could turn out very badly for you. (Ironically, the State Police registry of machine gun owners is not available online.)
What's worse is that the gun-carrying database is tied to car license plate numbers. Thus, if my wife (who basically cares nothing about guns) is driving my car, she might face the same adverse treatment.
After: If, heaven forbid, you actually have to use your carry piece, you'll be in a world of hurt legally, whether the shooting is justified or not. Yes, I know that the argument is that you're better off having defended yourself (regardless of the legal consequences) rather than having fallen victim. But, if you are armed, the temptation might be to escalate rather than de-escalate. (This happens seemingly all the time in "road rage" incidents.) This doesn't seem to be a problem in self-defense scenarios at home. But the combination of cars and guns is problematic, especially now that people are so stressed out.
(All these things have to do not about whether you have a right to carry, but whether it's wise to do so. And these are not factors that would preclude carry, but only factors that go into the mix when weighing the pros and cons.)
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Bazoo
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The fireplace no, but I do have fires outside during the summer months.
To me excercising the right means doing something for no other reason than because you can. I have open carried for this reason. I prefer conceal for the advantage and low profile. Not much of a reason or explination. But it's all I can muster.
I like guns enough I take them with me. An example would be, I carry a rifle outside sometimes for no other reason than to look at it. I set out on my stump and look it over, hold it, think about the fun I have had with it, or it's history. I do this even without intent to use the gun. Just have it outside a while and enjoy it.
To me excercising the right means doing something for no other reason than because you can. I have open carried for this reason. I prefer conceal for the advantage and low profile. Not much of a reason or explination. But it's all I can muster.
I like guns enough I take them with me. An example would be, I carry a rifle outside sometimes for no other reason than to look at it. I set out on my stump and look it over, hold it, think about the fun I have had with it, or it's history. I do this even without intent to use the gun. Just have it outside a while and enjoy it.
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Bazoo
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Those are very real considerations and not to be taken lightly.
In this state, having a ccdw license is no longer required to carry a handgun concealed. However I keep mine. For the concern of traffic stops, it shows I've been through a background check which points to me being a decent citizen. I've found police generally appreciate the law abiding ccdw holder in the state. They do link the ccdw to your license place here a well.
Which one do you want to use for me? I use it's just not worth the hassle for the extremely remote possibility of ever wanting a gun when I'm out and about around town.
I just absolutely LOVE IT when people who don't carry everywhere all the time are insulted for that choice. Love it.
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Old Dog
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Real considerations for those averse to ever taking any risks. And living life to the fullest often entails risk. Otherwise, I'd never leave my house. Nor drive on any public roadways, anywhere -- the highest risk environment in our society.
Bazoo
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A similar tune is played by those that choose not to carry against those that make life choices that allow carrying more of the time.
I don't think either is called for.
I agree.
bdickens
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Complete, utter nonsense.
Once again, you display a complete lack of understanding of the psychology of violence.
Violent people are violent first and then use whatever tools are available to them.
If anything, the research demonstrates that not only are Carry Permit holders are far less likely to escalate a situation, they are less likely to commit any crime than any other group of people - including cops.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/section/handgun-licensing/conviction-rates
Bazoo
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Why?
I live in the country on 18 wooded acres. Guns are prettier in natural light. Everything is for that matter. I spend a large portion of the time outdoors. I often clean my guns outside, and occasionally reload with a hand press outside.
luzyfuerza
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I used to be lackadaisical about carrying. Yes, lackadaisical! I was trained, competed, and was reasonably competent with a handgun. But I didn't carry that often. Too much hassle, I thought.
Then a mass murderer struck a location I frequented (the Salt Lake Trolley Square attack
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting). Horrible. Five victims dead and four maimed. An armed off-duty officer distracted the murderer from killing more innocents. Uniformed officers later arrived and ended the murderer's life.
This hit home for me. I asked myself this question: "How would you feel if your loved one was there that day and was injured or killed, and you knew that you might have prevented their injuries if you'd had your gun...but you couldn't save them because you were too lazy to deal with the hassle of carrying?"
I decided that I never wanted to ever have to face that question, and have carried pretty much everywhere legal ever since.
Then a mass murderer struck a location I frequented (the Salt Lake Trolley Square attack
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting). Horrible. Five victims dead and four maimed. An armed off-duty officer distracted the murderer from killing more innocents. Uniformed officers later arrived and ended the murderer's life.
This hit home for me. I asked myself this question: "How would you feel if your loved one was there that day and was injured or killed, and you knew that you might have prevented their injuries if you'd had your gun...but you couldn't save them because you were too lazy to deal with the hassle of carrying?"
I decided that I never wanted to ever have to face that question, and have carried pretty much everywhere legal ever since.
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