Springfield Browning

I would love it if they made the Detective version and a lightweight version with an aluminum frame.

I'm onboard. Count me in, too. Based on the photos and video I've seen already, this looks to be a very well-crafted Hi-Power, and good-looking to boot.

Springfield Armory pistols have an excellent track record for me, and I have zero problem with Brazilian steel, if this is the case -- who cares?

I'll wait 'til I find one at or below MSRP. (I got my Python at MSRP, so it can be accomplished.)

Jason Burton has one in his hands. Here are his thoughts so far.

WVsig said:

Jason Burton has one in his hands. Here are his thoughts so far.

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Very encouraging write up. I had the opportunity to buy a High Power, and it rattled as bad as a Colt series 80, so I passed. I think it was Eastern Block made pistol. So, to read of a tight version with improvements, maybe a High Power is in the future.

Slamfire said:

Very encouraging write up. I had the opportunity to buy a High Power, and it rattled as bad as a Colt series 80, so I passed. I think it was Eastern Block made pistol. So, to read of a tight version with improvements, maybe a High Power is in the future.

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High round count BHPs rattle just like high round count 1911 and Beretta 92s. For the most part they all still shoot.

WVsig said:

High round count BHPs rattle just like high round count 1911 and Beretta 92s. For the most part they all still shoot.

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I have obsessive compulsive behaviors, one of which, I want perfection, and a loose fit is not perfection.

Slamfire said:

I have obsessive compulsive behaviors, one of which, I want perfection, and a loose fit is not perfection.

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Buy one of these and don’t shoot it. If you shoot it it even this will eventually rattle. Do you want a safe queen or a working gun?

The British call these guns the “Noine Milly”

Been several years since I fired one
of my Hi-Powers that I used to own.
But I remember it kicking upward
and torguing to the right.

Maybe it was and is just me but I
just watched SA's video of the new
SA-35 being shot. Looked like it
kicked upward pretty high and
possibly torgued to the right.

So I watched a few videos of
my favorite auto, the Beretta 92
Centurion, being shot. Nowhere
near the muzzle rise that I could
detect. Might all be in the different
guns' frame designs.

I know it might be apples and oranges
but I still remember I didn't like the
way the Browning HP shot. But I do like
how the Beretta handles and its
sights seeming to stay on target.

Still very glad SA is bringing back the
Hi-Power. Hooray for them. Oh, and
if someone wants to gift me one, I'd
be very appreciative.

UncleEd said:

Been several years since I fired one
of my Hi-Powers that I used to own.
But I remember it kicking upward
and torguing to the right.

Maybe it was and is just me but I
just watched SA's video of the new
SA-35 being shot. Looked like it
kicked upward pretty high and
possibly torgued to the right.

So I watched a few videos of
my favorite auto, the Beretta 92
Centurion, being shot. Nowhere
near the muzzle rise that I could
detect. Might all be in the different
guns' frame designs.

I know it might be apples and oranges
but I still remember I didn't like the
way the Browning HP shot. But I do like
how the Beretta handles and its
sights seeming to stay on target.

Still very glad SA is bringing back the
Hi-Power. Hooray for them. Oh, and
if someone wants to gift me one, I'd
be very appreciative.

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I shoot my BHPs better then these... Just saying that when the rubber meets the road a lot of the time it is the Indian not the arrow....

@CNobbe i may have to stand corrected on the sights, at least I hope so! Let’s pray the pre-production samples are the same as what’s rolling off the line now.

The Girsan ad. Notice the similarities to the Springfield ad.

And, the Springfield ad. Coincidence? I seriously doubt it.

Slamfire, if you put a loaded mag in it it doesn't rattle...

johnnydollar said:

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The Girsan ad. Notice the similarities to the Springfield ad.

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I cannot get past the photoshopped shotgun. Way too big and nobody would ever lean a shotgun up that way. It would fall right over.

If Springfield puts an ambidextrous safety on it I'm in. Sold my Hi Power Practical in 2006 and still kicking myself.

Yeah that Girsan and SA ad are the same. So SA is working with Girsan or vice versa.

I want a polished SS version

WVsig said:

Buy one of these and don’t shoot it. If you shoot it it even this will eventually rattle. Do you want a safe queen or a working gun?

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Used to be, a 1911 would shoot itself out, due to the soft plain carbon materials they are made of. However, I am much more opportunistic about modern pistols.

AMU Team shooters told me they shoot about 5000 to 7500 rounds a month through their 1911's. They wear out several hammers and sears a year, a barrel every three years. Or so. They are shooting 185 JHP. If they shot lead the barrels would last almost forever.



But when I asked questions about frame and slide life, none had cracked within the experience of the shooters. The longest any had been on the team was seven years, and these Caspian pistols dated before they arrived. And, none had required refitting. Older 1911's, the ones where the frames were peened, then the slide was beaten back and forth with grinding compound, over the frame, till the gunsmith was happy with the tightness, those loosened up.

an example of the old frames and slides




And they cracked just above the slide release, sometimes on the right of the ejection port. Modern metallurgy and modern machining have produced pistols that are lasting much, much longer than older versions.

My Les Baer, after five years of Bullseye, it don't rattle.



many ammo boxes through this, and it don't rattle either



So, if they make the High Power tight, I am optimistic, it will stay tight.

I'm amused that people bash the American workforce, then bash products not made by the American workforce. And don't claim it's not bashing to say, "Where's it really made?" If you're buying wine, you may want foreign made wine from France. If you want an AK47 you may want one made in the USSR. If you want a "real" BHP it's from Belgium. Anyway, if it's well made I don't particularly care who made it.

I had a thought on the Hi Power; if the design had been allowed to evolve like the 1911, there would already be a bunch of companies making them, and offering rails, various sights, and now optics mounts. Seems like a missed opportunity these last few decades. Just because Browning didn't make them that way doesn't mean there wasn't a market. When several companies sell 1911s for $1000-4000, you can't say no one would buy a Hi Power.

That’s been my experience as well, Slamfire. 10 years into shooting my S&W E-Series after extensive re-work and it still locks like a bank vault. Anything short of a full slingshot or slide release will see the slide stop short of battery, loaded or not, and require a stiff tap to finish. No sign of wear.

Jim Watson said:

An old article about gunsmith Bob Day quoted him as saying a barrel shot with lead bullets would wear out of fit before the bore was shot out. And could be refitted to stay in use.

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A ten times PPC champ and two time NRA Bullseye champ regularly shows up at local regionals. His K frame S&W still shoots under 2 inches at 50 yards with 148 LSWC's, and he claims the tube has 600,000 rounds!

(The pistol has worn out an extractor star, busted a firing pin, probably more work with timing and the action, but the barrel is still going strong. His load is a 148 LSWC and 2.7 to 2.8 grs Bullseye)

Larry Moore wrote a smallbore prone rifle article about throat wear. He cut the chamber a bit, ran a reamer and basically cleaned up the throat and the barrels did shoot better. At the time, match 22lr ammunition had a high glass content in the primers, and "Eley Rings" in less than 1000 rds not uncommon. I have an early 1960's tube that developed an Eley Ring in less than 650 rounds. I am going to claim that lead bullets are far less abrasive and create insignificant wear, compared to other things, such as flame temperature of gunpowder, and primer erosion.

I have been told, the non lead primers will eat up a barrel! Apparently there is a high quantity of frictionator (might be glass) in the compound. Beware!, don't be an early adopter, the shills in print won't warn of this when promoting the new lead free primers.

Rimfire Research, who’s articles are now difficult to track down, did some thorough testing and bore scoping, powder burns, priming compound burns, etc. and determined that silica used in the priming compound was a significant factor in throat erosion/pitting just ahead of the chamber. The other potentially damaging element was humidity.