Howzabout we lighten up on Alec Baldwin,,,

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bdickens said:
You are so wrong. Grade A hypocrite and a-hole he may be but unless he is a bonafide clinical psychopath he undoubtedly experienced a great deal of trauma. I doubt he will be able to brush it off.
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Are you a clinical psychologist or psychiatrist?

No one knows what he did or didn't experience. But, having a couple of Purple Hearts myself, I can say I know what his victims experienced.
 
aarondhgraham said:
Howzabout we lighten up on Alec Baldwin just a little bit,,,
Far too many of the posts about him are what my Grannie would call "plain mean".

"He deserves what he will get"
"Serves him right for being a Hollywood liberal"

People in the Pro-2A community are laughing about this tragic event,,,
And roasting him merely for his political stance.

Just imagine what your feelings would be if it had same thing had happened to you,,,
I mean now he has to live the rest of his life reliving that terrible moment,,,
The moment when he pulled the trigger and saw the woman die.

Maybe the truth is that on-set safety was lax,,,
Maybe the truth was that it was deliberate sabotage,,,
In all probability it was some where in between those two situations.

When I read the first news blurb about this,,,
I immediately thought of my days as a cowboy re-enacter.

I was a member of a group (Guthrie Gunfighters) who staged old west gunfights for tourists,,,
That was over 20 years ago but I do remember one event at the Tom Mix Festival in Guthrie.

I carried an Uberti 1858 Remington C&B Pistol,,,
We loaded my revolver with only 10 grains of powder,,,
The cartridge guys used some kind of grain meal as a wad,,,
The C&B shooters ( I wasn't the only one) used those foam packing peanuts.

We had very strict rules on loading the guns:
1) All blanks were made by one member of the group.
2) Two designated members would verify that the 5-rounds to be loaded were indeed our blanks.
3) The brass for the blanks were all colored a bright green to prevent any possibility of substitutions.
4) The shooter loaded the blanks into the pistol then all three of them signed the "shooting Log" book.
5) For us CAB shooters, the same two designated members would watch us charge our cylinders and again we all signed the log book.

There were a few more safety precautions that I won't boor you with,,,
Suffice it to say that we were as careful as a group of people could be.

In the few years I participated we did not have one accident.

But it was always in the back of my mind that no matter how careful we were,,,
There was always the possibility that something could go wrong.

One time though I got the scare of my life,,,
I shot a "bank robber" square in the chest at about 15' distance,,,
This man should have gotten an Oscar for his realistic death performance.

We didn't use blood packs or any props like that in our scenarios,,,
But his dying performance was so believably realistic,,,
For a few moments I thought I had shot him.

Good people, you simply can not imagine what went through my head in that few moments,,,
Every negative emotion that you can think of went through my mind,,,
It was literally the worst few seconds of my life.

Then the "Marshall" signaled that the shootout scenario was over,,,
When the guy jumped up and waved to the crowd,,,
I almost wet my pants in relief.

I'm not saying that I know exactly what Mr. Baldwin was and is going through,,,
But having been in the same situation (even for just a few seconds),,,
I just can't let myself rag on him for being a Hollywood liberal.

Of course he is "deflecting" and trying to shift blame,,,
But I've seen a lot of good people do exactly the same in other circumstances.

No matter what the outcome of the investigation(s) will bring,,,
He will have to live with the event for the rest of his life.

I simply can't understand how so many of my fellow 2A supporters are treating him.
It's as if they seem somehow glad that this happened at all.

This is my not-so-humble opinion,,,
Roast me for it if you wish to.

Aarond

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The scene did not call for him to fire the gun. And supposedly they were just working on the camera angle for him reaching down and drawing it.
 
aarondhgraham said:
Howzabout we lighten up on Alec Baldwin just a little bit,,,
Far too many of the posts about him are what my Grannie would call "plain mean".

"He deserves what he will get"
"Serves him right for being a Hollywood liberal"

People in the Pro-2A community are laughing about this tragic event,,,
And roasting him merely for his political stance.

Just imagine what your feelings would be if it had same thing had happened to you,,,
I mean now he has to live the rest of his life reliving that terrible moment,,,
The moment when he pulled the trigger and saw the woman die.

Maybe the truth is that on-set safety was lax,,,
Maybe the truth was that it was deliberate sabotage,,,
In all probability it was some where in between those two situations.

When I read the first news blurb about this,,,
I immediately thought of my days as a cowboy re-enacter.

I was a member of a group (Guthrie Gunfighters) who staged old west gunfights for tourists,,,
That was over 20 years ago but I do remember one event at the Tom Mix Festival in Guthrie.

I carried an Uberti 1858 Remington C&B Pistol,,,
We loaded my revolver with only 10 grains of powder,,,
The cartridge guys used some kind of grain meal as a wad,,,
The C&B shooters ( I wasn't the only one) used those foam packing peanuts.

We had very strict rules on loading the guns:
1) All blanks were made by one member of the group.
2) Two designated members would verify that the 5-rounds to be loaded were indeed our blanks.
3) The brass for the blanks were all colored a bright green to prevent any possibility of substitutions.
4) The shooter loaded the blanks into the pistol then all three of them signed the "shooting Log" book.
5) For us CAB shooters, the same two designated members would watch us charge our cylinders and again we all signed the log book.

There were a few more safety precautions that I won't boor you with,,,
Suffice it to say that we were as careful as a group of people could be.

In the few years I participated we did not have one accident.

But it was always in the back of my mind that no matter how careful we were,,,
There was always the possibility that something could go wrong.

One time though I got the scare of my life,,,
I shot a "bank robber" square in the chest at about 15' distance,,,
This man should have gotten an Oscar for his realistic death performance.

We didn't use blood packs or any props like that in our scenarios,,,
But his dying performance was so believably realistic,,,
For a few moments I thought I had shot him.

Good people, you simply can not imagine what went through my head in that few moments,,,
Every negative emotion that you can think of went through my mind,,,
It was literally the worst few seconds of my life.

Then the "Marshall" signaled that the shootout scenario was over,,,
When the guy jumped up and waved to the crowd,,,
I almost wet my pants in relief.

I'm not saying that I know exactly what Mr. Baldwin was and is going through,,,
But having been in the same situation (even for just a few seconds),,,
I just can't let myself rag on him for being a Hollywood liberal.

Of course he is "deflecting" and trying to shift blame,,,
But I've seen a lot of good people do exactly the same in other circumstances.

No matter what the outcome of the investigation(s) will bring,,,
He will have to live with the event for the rest of his life.

I simply can't understand how so many of my fellow 2A supporters are treating him.
It's as if they seem somehow glad that this happened at all.

This is my not-so-humble opinion,,,
Roast me for it if you wish to.

Aarond

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Howzabout you stop circulating this garbage?

https://www.okshooters.com/threads/howzabout-we-lighten-up-on-alec-baldwin-just-a-little-bit.324078/
 
aarondhgraham said:
Howzabout we lighten up on Alec Baldwin just a little bit,,,
Far too many of the posts about him are what my Grannie would call "plain mean".
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What is your point? To whom are you addressing this? What is your objective? Your reason for this? Your expected result?
 
aarondhgraham said:
Howzabout we lighten up on Alec Baldwin just a little bit,,,
Far too many of the posts about him are what my Grannie would call "plain mean".

"He deserves what he will get"
"Serves him right for being a Hollywood liberal"

People in the Pro-2A community are laughing about this tragic event,,,
And roasting him merely for his political stance.

Just imagine what your feelings would be if it had same thing had happened to you,,,
I mean now he has to live the rest of his life reliving that terrible moment,,,
The moment when he pulled the trigger and saw the woman die.

Maybe the truth is that on-set safety was lax,,,
Maybe the truth was that it was deliberate sabotage,,,
In all probability it was some where in between those two situations.

When I read the first news blurb about this,,,
I immediately thought of my days as a cowboy re-enacter.

I was a member of a group (Guthrie Gunfighters) who staged old west gunfights for tourists,,,
That was over 20 years ago but I do remember one event at the Tom Mix Festival in Guthrie.

I carried an Uberti 1858 Remington C&B Pistol,,,
We loaded my revolver with only 10 grains of powder,,,
The cartridge guys used some kind of grain meal as a wad,,,
The C&B shooters ( I wasn't the only one) used those foam packing peanuts.

We had very strict rules on loading the guns:
1) All blanks were made by one member of the group.
2) Two designated members would verify that the 5-rounds to be loaded were indeed our blanks.
3) The brass for the blanks were all colored a bright green to prevent any possibility of substitutions.
4) The shooter loaded the blanks into the pistol then all three of them signed the "shooting Log" book.
5) For us CAB shooters, the same two designated members would watch us charge our cylinders and again we all signed the log book.

There were a few more safety precautions that I won't boor you with,,,
Suffice it to say that we were as careful as a group of people could be.

In the few years I participated we did not have one accident.

But it was always in the back of my mind that no matter how careful we were,,,
There was always the possibility that something could go wrong.

One time though I got the scare of my life,,,
I shot a "bank robber" square in the chest at about 15' distance,,,
This man should have gotten an Oscar for his realistic death performance.

We didn't use blood packs or any props like that in our scenarios,,,
But his dying performance was so believably realistic,,,
For a few moments I thought I had shot him.

Good people, you simply can not imagine what went through my head in that few moments,,,
Every negative emotion that you can think of went through my mind,,,
It was literally the worst few seconds of my life.

Then the "Marshall" signaled that the shootout scenario was over,,,
When the guy jumped up and waved to the crowd,,,
I almost wet my pants in relief.

I'm not saying that I know exactly what Mr. Baldwin was and is going through,,,
But having been in the same situation (even for just a few seconds),,,
I just can't let myself rag on him for being a Hollywood liberal.

Of course he is "deflecting" and trying to shift blame,,,
But I've seen a lot of good people do exactly the same in other circumstances.

No matter what the outcome of the investigation(s) will bring,,,
He will have to live with the event for the rest of his life.

I simply can't understand how so many of my fellow 2A supporters are treating him.
It's as if they seem somehow glad that this happened at all.

This is my not-so-humble opinion,,,
Roast me for it if you wish to.

Aarond

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Maybe because Baldwin doesn't deserve any sympathy. He certainly did show any to Dick Cheney

https://www.examiner-enterprise.com...does-alex-baldwin-deserve-decency/8566870002/
 
I have to agree with the OP but on the other hand the “those people on the other side (i.e. the ones that don’t agree with me) are really idiots/evil/stupid… take your pick” attitude is a pretty common component of this forum. If I could count the gloating posts when somebody on “the other side” made some kind of mistake... And how many people would even know or care who Alec Baldwin is if not for his SNL role that surely turned a lot of people against him.

maybe “lighten up” isn’t really a bad thing or maybe this whole topic has worn out it’s welcome.
 
1: What is your point?
2: To whom are you addressing this?
3: What is your objective?
4: Your reason for this?
5: Your expected result?

1: Honestly, I have been saddened to no end by the vicious tone of almost every post about this,,,
Most posts have the same vitriolic tone as those of the Liberal media towards us.
I mean the name of this forum is "The High Ground",,,
Do we really need to sink to their level?

2: I am not addressing this to anyone in particular,,,
No more than if I posted a "I hate 1911 pistols, prove me wrong" thread.

3: Just to maybe prompt a few people re-examine their thoughts.

4: Because I was saddened by many of the truly vicious posts.

5: I don't expect any particular result,,,
I was merely stating a JMHO.

Aarond

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Zerodefect said:
Imagine filming your actor. Setting up for another take. The actor then has a temper tantrum like a toddler, turns his gun on you, and shoots you in the chest.

The last thing you see, is a wrinkled old fat man ranting about Donald Trump, before you die.

[Sure, lets give the guy a break. Lolz]
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I think he shot her in the back, it's more his style anyways.
 
aarondhgraham said:
1: What is your point?
2: To whom are you addressing this?
3: What is your objective?
4: Your reason for this?
5: Your expected result?

1: Honestly, I have been saddened to no end by the vicious tone of almost every post about this,,,
Most posts have the same vitriolic tone as those of the Liberal media towards us.
I mean the name of this forum is "The High Ground",,,
Do we really need to sink to their level?

2: I am not addressing this to anyone in particular,,,
No more than if I posted a "I hate 1911 pistols, prove me wrong" thread.

3: Just to maybe prompt a few people re-examine their thoughts.

4: Because I was saddened by many of the truly vicious posts.

5: I don't expect any particular result,,,
I was merely stating a JMHO.

Aarond

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The high ground is only useful for better lobbing, of spears, rocks, and arrows, at your opponents below.

You should see my pike field.
 
aarondhgraham said:
1: What is your point?
2: To whom are you addressing this?
3: What is your objective?
4: Your reason for this?
5: Your expected result?

1: Honestly, I have been saddened to no end by the vicious tone of almost every post about this,,,
Most posts have the same vitriolic tone as those of the Liberal media towards us.
I mean the name of this forum is "The High Ground",,,
Do we really need to sink to their level?

2: I am not addressing this to anyone in particular,,,
No more than if I posted a "I hate 1911 pistols, prove me wrong" thread.

3: Just to maybe prompt a few people re-examine their thoughts.

4: Because I was saddened by many of the truly vicious posts.

5: I don't expect any particular result,,,
I was merely stating a JMHO.

Aarond

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So to sum up, your intention was to prove you're holier than the rest of us.
 
I’m on the fence. If the set safety was as bad as it’s made out to be then everybody there should catch a negligent manslaughter charge, and every single person had the option of walking away from a dangerous set. That said, Baldwin had a bigger role than the average joe so he bears more responsibility.

In my years as a industrial safety professional I saw it go just like what I’m hearing from the set. Workers just do the minimum to not get fired, and since safety isn’t exciting or fun it gets lost quickly to the exciting things like racing pallet jacks or quick draw target shooting. That’s why I had a job though was to make sure those safety precautions were not lost. The chain of command bears responsibility legally. It’s the highest level where the unsafe behavior was reasonably known and tolerated. Baldwin certainly was in one of these positions. There may be others above him, there are definitely others below him. He should have hired a better site safety officer.
 
That moron killed a person because he was too self-entitled to check the gun in the first place, a gun which he pretended to understand the destructive capability of. He deserves the criticism and incessant hostility. If it were one of us pro-gunners that shot someone to death, the same way he did, he would be laughing it up and using it as a talking point for gun control.

As far as I am concerned, his decisions as a producer and his gross incompetence led to the death of another human being. Lock him up.
 
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