Future of the Beretta 92 Series

The da/sa metal framed hammer guns will be around for the foreseeable future. I'm not a fan of them but a lot of folks are. I'm sure in the 1870s people were talking about how cap and ball guns were going to disappear and before that how the flintlocks would be gone ect.

Humans are nostalgic, even if something (anything) has been replaced by something arguably better the old things remain desirable to many. I don't see the military going back to them but civilians will continue to buy them. No real mystery there, countless people like to drive cars from the turn of the 20th century that have 20 horse power and get 5 miles to the gallon and they are broken more than they're running. That'll continue too. Nothing ever truly goes away completely.

I hated striker fired polymer guns , until I got one as kind of a joke to prove myself right. I was wrong and not being open minded, since then all my metal hammer fired semi autos have been sold off simply because I'm not a collector but the guys they were sold to were very happy to get them.

The government will use what is cheapest and works, the rest of us can pick what tickles our fancy.

Obturation said:

The government will use what is cheapest and works, the rest of us can pick what tickles our fancy.

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This concept, which has been around for a long time, is something I find purely ironic. Yes, all the taxpayers among us would probably prefer to believe that "the government" buys "what is cheapest," but well, having worked for a federal government for more'n 20 years, and state and local governments for another 20-something... I'd just say, "T'aint so." I only wish I could afford to buy some of the great equipment and kit I've been issued over the years by "the government." I'd been issued top of the line helmets, body armor, weapons, uniform items, hell, even sunglasses, by Uncle Sam (granted, some notorious failures in there as well -- refer to Checkmate pistol magazines and our first gen body armor), and since retiring from the military and working for smaller government entities, I've also been issued some excellent firearms and gear that I frankly would not want to have to pay for out of my own pocket. Would that the private citizen could purchase "what tickles our fancy." This ain't 1944 and we weren't given one pair of stiff leather boots that required weeks to break in, one steel pot and a stamped rifle that cost $14 to produce.

Obturation said:

if something (anything) has been replaced by something arguably better the old things remain desirable to many.

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For some of us, polymer framed, striker fired pistols being arguably better than steel/alloy-framed, hammer fired pistols is purely subjective and a topic where there may never be agreement.

Obturation said:

...even if something (anything) has been replaced by something arguably better...

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"Arguable" is the operative word there. I'm not convinced that what replaced the M9 was actually better. Then again, plenty of people were not convinced that the M9 was better than the 1911 back in '85.

Obturation said:

No real mystery there, countless people like to drive cars from the turn of the 20th century that have 20 horse power and get 5 miles to the gallon and they are broken more than they're running. That'll continue too. Nothing ever truly goes away completely.

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Very true, but how many of those people are driving their Model A to work every day? Probably none. (You'd have to be crazy; can you imagine a car accident in one? Never mind the complete lack of safety features, how would you ever replace the body panels?)

I wonder if the 92Fs and similar guns will be soon relegated to that of "Sunday driver" where they only appear at the range for a few hours once or twice per year, or at "vintage" firearm matches, such as we see with the 1903 and M1 at Camp Perry. (In fact, now that I mention it, perhaps competition will be the last realm where see the 92 in regular use-but even that is far eclipsed by the Glock-at least in my observations.)

shoobe01 said:

Beretta absolutely made a "Combat" model off the D/Brigadier with ambi frame mounted safety. Some were imported. They show up for sale used periodically.
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Most with long barrels and that weight but some with normal length barrels.
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Why they won't make more baffles me.

Also sorta surprised Langdon hasn't gone to the next step of offering frame safeties, even if it means machining their own cloned frames.

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Looks like a variation of the "Steel-1" pistols.

Wow. Totally missed the Steel Framed 92! Neat. Not something I need, but neat that they do this.

Also: found a full manual including like a mission statement:



http://www.berettaweb.com/Munuals/Beretta Steel I User Manual.pdf

Either they have a marketing issue to tell us of these, or just need to import more of the weird guns. Can't tell which it is.

I swapped out the safety for decocker on my 92X, and now I don't even need to think about any of this. Beretta sell the kit on their website.

I own quite a few service pistols and clones of service pistols. I still have a Taurus PT99 that I bought NiB around 1990, and I got a Beretta Model 96 surplus frankenpistol maybe four or five years ago.

The Taurus has better sights and safety. The Beretta has a better trigger. They're both reliable and accurate. I can shoot them just fine, about average for a service pistol.

I think when it comes to proven service pistols like the 1911, High Power, Sig P200 series, CZ75 and variants, Beretta 92 series, etc, it's pretty much whatever floats your boat.

If it's not a lemon, it will shoot a whole lot of rounds reliably before it wears out. The accuracy will depend on how well it fits your hand and how well its trigger suits you. Most of us can find ones we like and can shoot decently.

There seem to be plenty of people who like the Beretta 92 series and shoot them well. It seems like they should be around for a few more decades at least.

I like them okay. They're not my favorite or least favorite. The ones I've shot all have triggers that travel farther than I would prefer, but they also give me a nice big stable platform to hang onto.

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JTQ said:

Here are some data points from Langdon Tactical. Changing out hammer springs is fairly straightforward. A "trigger job in a bag" may be a little more involved. The 92X models should come with a "D" spring, which I believe is a 16 lb spring.

https://langdontactical.com/faqs

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Thanks.

So out of the box would be 7.2 to 8 lbs for DA?

WestKentucky said:

There is a strong enough market for clones to exist. They will stick around for a while. Taurus pt92 series has been around for a few decades, the Girsan Regard is a new player and I seem to recall a 92 copy in 22lr coming out recently. There are enough 92s around that they will stick around for a long time.

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Girsan not only produces 92 clones with the slide-mounted safety-decocker, but also full-size and centurion models with frame-mounted safeties.

I love hammer fired guns, both DA/SA and DAO. I have quite a few poly striker guns, too. For me, metal hammer fired guns are for admiring, pride of ownership, and range work. I don’t carry one anymore. Size and weight are most important and poly wins that one. If the new S&W CSX came in DA/SA, it would be bought instantly.

The Beretta 92FS isn’t going anywhere for quite awhile. It’s an iconic gun.

.455_Hunter said:

Funny, since I am about as left-handed as they come and have no issues with "right handed" slide stops- I just use my left thumb.

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I did that for years, until I took a course that made me fix type 3 malfunctions under time constraints.

Can't make "thumb over" manipulations of left-side controls while still maintaining positive control and being fast enough to clear the malfunction, reload, and get a shot off in time.

Hacker15E said:

I did that for years, until I took a course that made me fix type 3 malfunctions under time constraints.

Can't make "thumb over" manipulations of left-side controls while still maintaining positive control and being fast enough to clear the malfunction, reload, and get a shot off in time.

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In time for what?

There will always be a demand for former military arms, especially if they're semi auto and in a common, affordable caliber.

It doesn't get more common or cheap than 9mm.

92's will be around for a long time, maybe less for carrying, but they will find use in sport shooting events. The casual gun owner always looks to guns that had a service history as a beacon of quality or durability. 92's are both, even the Taurus ones are pretty good.

I seriously doubt that they ever have the value of the older 1911 government pistols. But they will be defending tens of thousands of homes all across the country for many decades. And why wouldnt they?

I haven't read all the posts , but I think that the future may not be all that great. Since Beretta moved to Tennessee , things haven't been working well with the pistols. I have read several reports of failures and quality control. I live in Tenn and won't buy a Beretta pistol made here. I have seen a few Tennessee pistols with misaligned sights , nicks , burs on the slides with machining and such.

tercel89 said:

Since Beretta moved to Tennessee , things haven't been working well with the pistols. I have read several reports of failures and quality control.

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Care to share any links that speak to this?

I thought I'd been paying attention, but haven't seen much in the way of news on the flagship Beretta for a while. Had noted a lot of criticism of some of Beretta's newer plastic pistols. I know the last M9s shipped from Gallatin to the military this past September, but I haven't seen any new U.S.-production 92s in stores for a while, while I have seen some nice Italian-produced 92s in the past year and a half.

Old Dog said:

Care to share any links that speak to this?

I thought I'd been paying attention, but haven't seen much in the way of news on the flagship Beretta for a while. Had noted a lot of criticism of some of Beretta's newer plastic pistols. I know the last M9s shipped from Gallatin to the military this past September, but I haven't seen any new U.S.-production 92s in stores for a while, while I have seen some nice Italian-produced 92s in the past year and a half.

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Yeah same here. I knew there was some sort of premium/desirability for the Italian-made guns, but I wasn't sure why. Are the US-made guns the ones marketed as "M9" (as opposed to "92FS) in the civilian market?

I've seen many many posts on Reddit show casing the sheer lack of QC coming out of Beretta USA. Barrels with no rifling, barrels with severe rust, nasty machine marks, spotty finishes etc.

So what guns is Beretta USA currently making? Would like to avoid the ones made in the US...

My brother told me he carried a 92 in Bonsai that broke and he had to reset the trigger manually. Zero replacement parts or guns. To this day he don’t trust the 92

Reddit? There's a credible source. Just went into my local Sportsman's Warehouse today and examined an M9A3, which to my non-expert eye looked pretty damn good.

Mark_Mark said:

My brother told me he carried a 92 in Bonsai that broke and he had to reset the trigger manually. Zero replacement parts or guns. To this day he don’t trust the 92

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A bonsai garden or a potted bonsai (how did he and his Beretta fit in there?). Having actually been issued the M9 for the last two thirds of my military career, I never had that problem. We had good armorers, plenty of spare parts but for the most part, the M9 was quite reliable. Heck, I even bought one. Love the Beretta.

Old Dog said:

Reddit? There's a credible source. Just went into my local Sportsman's Warehouse today and examined an M9A3, which to my non-expert eye looked pretty damn good.
A bonsai garden or a potted bonsai (how did he and his Beretta fit in there?). Having actually been issued the M9 for the last two thirds of my military career, I never had that problem. We had good armorers, plenty of spare parts but for the most part, the M9 was quite reliable. Heck, I even bought one. Love the Beretta.

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he said it was a peace keeping mission, very boring, was there to … who knows, he said… look at landmines or something. He got out after going bonkers from PTS in Iraq and Afgan. Now Lives in the middle of no where Arkansas and could not be happier. His whole Tank company or whatever it was called, die after he lost his command, lots of guilt for not being with them. Thousand yard stare for years, he’s snapping out of it now. He said, he doesn’t wish war on anybody.

I think @Mark_Mark is referring to the IFOR mission.

There are so many Beretta owners on this site that if QC was so bad we would have first hand examples, not just repeated internet rumors about it.

I also carried an M9 in the army and have owned 2.

No complaints.

While I never liked the M9, I have not seen them break from use or abuse. And as a machinist that worked with unit armorers, I definitely would have seen it if there were problems. Now the early M9's having issues with sand during Desert Storm did happen and then there as the issue with aftermarket magazines during OIF. But I didn't see any problems other than those two.

And remember, nothing man made is GI Proof. A GI can and will mess up/break anything issued to them.