And I'm still enjoying it today! Thinking about a G conversion and some thinner g10 grips though....
Future of the Beretta 92 Series
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And I'm still enjoying it today! Thinking about a G conversion and some thinner g10 grips though....
md7
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Could be wrong, but I think the 92 series will around a good while longer. Guess time will tell
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Old Dog
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I don't want to believe anything, but I do want to see credible evidence of issues rather than just folks saying they've heard of problems without describing what the problems have been, which model guns are displaying the problems, what percentage of new guns seem to have problems, and evidence that there may be a pattern... As far as the photo, with no context, no picture of the gun it came from, doesn't tell us much of anything. I agree, that would be a pretty heinous defect in a new pistol right out of the box, but without a what/where/when and how often (more examples of stuff such as tthat), I'm not gonna write off a whole line of pistols or a manufacturer based on a sample of exactly one.
I was always considering a set of handsome wood grips for the ol girl!
Last time I looked I remember being pretty impressed with how inexpensive it was for some name brand wooden grips with inlays of the Beretta medallion (but g10 looks sharp on anything stainless!).
Beretta 92fs sure is a hogleg of a gun even by full size 9mm standards, but on the nightstand or in the suitcase traveling a 92fs and a few 21 round mec gars made me rest just a bit easier.
A great design with the open top, you can buy police trade ins with heavy wear etc and still expect it to work. They look good as they wear in. I would usually grab a spare locking block and fresh springs, set ya back no more than maybe 50 or 60 bucks.
If you review the trials in the 1980s that led to adopting the 92 Fs, man, it was something like 21k continuous rounds fired between stoppages.
21 thousand!
I remember the gen 3 and under pre mim parts glocks sometimes going 100-300k rounds without breaking parts. That was always impressive, and made a good case for the g17 as a shtf pistol etc. But usually the guys tracking the rounds fired might have a feed issue or jam here and there.
For the Beretta to be able to fire so many rounds between jams is still very impressive to me. I don't think a 92fs or 226 given aluminum frames may last as long as some poly guns, but I think a case could be made that 50k < they'll place rounds without issue and maybe more accurately and at distance, while being more forgiving of imperfect grip strength, hold etc. I know most anyone has been able to rack my sig and (previously) berettas. Whether or not a sig or Berettas grip will fit smaller hands? Now that can be an issue. They are certainly porky through the grips.
Since the switch to mim some of the pds I follow or high round count rental ranges report seeing glock firing pins break and issues with the mim extractors, but usually at very high round counts for most people (40k rounds or so). If you get one of the 2008 or so and before you probably have the good barstock tool steel parts that might get those crazy numbers. It sure was fun reading the torture tests on the forums back then.
I got an old gen2 g17 police trade in and it was interesting looking at the small parts Vs a gen 5. You can easily tell at a glance. The gen 2 had a NY trigger and for some reason was the most accurate full size glock I've ever shot. A local wanted to trade a governor and a duffel bag full of 410 and 45 colt/acp HP for it so I had to go for that being more of a revolver guy and always interested in the versatility of the governor.
When actually doing draws from concealment and taking timed shots in classes.
.455_Hunter
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OK. I don't utilize my slide stop when drawing from concealment or while getting initial shots on target. Putting an exacting time limit for the execution of a tactical reload is more a academic "gun games" range exercise than a demostrated requirement for civilian carriers. Anyway, if I don't want to bring my thumb around, my trigger finger is already on that side anyway for platforms like the Beretta 92, and that finger drops the slide without difficulty.
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Homerboy
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I'm a member of the Beretta forum. When Beretta made the move to Gallatin, there was lots of excitement. Guys looking to buy a Beretta with the Gallatin roll mark on there and posting pictures when they got one. Times have sure changed. Lots of complaints about fit and finish on the Gallatin guns as compared to the Accokeek marked ones.
I’ve had a bunch of 92’s. Iconic guns. I still have a civilian M9 and a Vertec model. Love them both. Slide feels like it’s rolling on greased ball bearings.
gc70
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Some people were wildly optimistic. Combine a new facility, new equipment, and new staff and there will always be startup pains. After some predictable initial missteps, the Gallatin factory's products now seem to be up to typical Beretta standards.
Homerboy
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I hope so. I certainly don’t want such an iconic company or product to go downhill. I’ve had at least a dozen 92 variants over the years. I’m left with the two I have left but still miss a few of the ones I sold. Should have kept the Police Special with the little shield on the dust cover and the factory night sights. Definitely should have kept the all INOX 92 I had. Hate the newer ones with the black parts. Sorely miss the 92 Centurion I sold. That should have been the M9, I think. Id like a Compact but don’t want one with the rails. If they made one in all INOX I’d be all over it. Really regret selling the Cougar INOX I had, as well.
They may not be as practical when compared to a new striker fired polymer gun, but they have about 10,000 times more class and pride of ownership than any striker fired polymer gun. Their main purpose for me nowadays is to shoot them every now and then, clean them, and show them off. They always get more appreciation than my Glock or M&P’s.
W.E.G.
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Most people don't buy guns because they NEED them.
They buy them because they WANT them.
The 92/M9 has been around long enough that people will be WANTING one for a long time.
Beretta continues to innovate the platform, which is a positive. Speaking of which, has Beretta sorted out the shortage (or abject absence) of mounting plates for the guns configured for the RMR dot-sight concept?
They buy them because they WANT them.
The 92/M9 has been around long enough that people will be WANTING one for a long time.
Beretta continues to innovate the platform, which is a positive. Speaking of which, has Beretta sorted out the shortage (or abject absence) of mounting plates for the guns configured for the RMR dot-sight concept?
gc70
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I missed my first Italian Inox and quickly replaced it with an American Inox. Strangely, I felt no attachment to the American Inox and had to go back to an Italian pistol for satisfaction.
My son recently bought a Gallatin 92X Centurion and its build quality is easily as good as any Beretta I have owned.
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An interesting statement. I started out with a Taurus PT99, now long gone. It was far better than the M9 I had in the Air Force. I can chalk that up to heavy use and poor care on the part of the M9. At one time, I owned a US-made "M9" (I think the only difference in "M9" and "92FS" is the rear sight-not sure.) and it was as good as the Taurus.
I normally run away from anything Taurus, yet that 92 clone was actually pretty awesome, which makes me wonder about other clones, such as the Girsan. I've shunned that for obvious reasons, but I half wonder if the 92 just lends itself well to outsourcing and copy-catting.
Side note: of course, memory is not a scientific judge, but I'm thinking the older PT99 was actually better than the newer M9 was.
gc70
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Beretta built the Model 92 for Brazil's military in a factory in Brazil. When the contract was completed in 1980, Taurus bought the factory and tooling and continued to build the pistol as the PT92. The early Taurus guns were awesome because they were essentially Berettas with different rollmarks.
My first "Beretta" was one of those early Taurus guns.
jeff-10
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The M9 has served too long and too many have seen combat with it for it to ever not to be offered in some form. Think 1873 and 1911.
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All the Beretta bashing...guess I got an anomaly. Picked up my new Gallatin made Beretta 92 Compact INOX M9A1 Monday. Gun Prime had this one listed on Guns International at MSRP and it quickly found a home. The fit and finish on this gun is pure perfection. I took it to the range for a function check and ran around 100 rounds of different brands of 9mm through it. Performance was flawless. I'm more than pleased with this gun.
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