Ever notice this about striker fired pistol trigger reviews?

wbwanzer said:

Ever notice that everyone (or almost everyone) thinks that the trigger on their striker fired gun is the best?

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Nope.

But if that were the case, I'd suggest that most folks tend to stick with only one brand of striker-fired pistol after they buy their first one, or simply have not put enough rounds through enough different makers' pistols . And, I'd suggest, that ever since the advent of the Glock, there are fewer and fewer trigger snobs out there and fewer folks who actually know what a really good trigger is.

I did shoot a couple mags through a Canik,and will say the trigger was not bad. But not nearly as good as the recent production H&K, Walther, SIG or a S&W with Apex package offerings, sorry (I freely admit I have never fired round one out of any CZ striker-fired pistol, though).

Count me as a trigger snob.
I purged the herd of striker fired pistols a long time ago.

I've shot two S&W Sigma pistols. A .40S&W an instructor owned, and the 9mm that was my first semi-auto pistol.

Every other striker fired pistol I have ever owned, shot, or dry fired, has been far superior to the junk trigger on the Sigmas.

I never heard an owner of S&W SD9 making such a claim

dekibg said:

I never heard an owner of S&W SD9 making such a claim

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Not sure if you're referring to my previous post about the horrendous trigger on the S&W Sigma. I cannot remember the exact model number, but the slide rails were polymer and not metal reinforced, if that help determining the model for you.

I like the APEX Action Enhancement Package trigger on my Gen3 Glock 17. I feel that it fits with the intended purpose I have for this gun, which is mostly range use. I like the trigger setup on my Gen3 Glock 19, which includes an APEX connector and FPB plunger, and the trigger bar takeoff from my Glock 17. This works with my intended purpose to carry this gun.

I have either gotten used to, or decided to live with the stock triggers on my other Glocks, and the stock trigger on my Walther PPS-M2, which is one of the best out-of-the-box pistols that I own. That just about sums it up for the triggers on my striker fired guns.

Quick to shoot with a safety isn't all that hard. Many a bunny rabbit with a shotgun and a safety. Or even more challenging Ruffed Grouse with a safety. I doubt the bench rest shooters are going to embrace double action triggers nor the trap and skeet shooters.

And I absolutely do think a gun with a safety is much more safe than a double action trigger without a safety. To me a double action is the same as a warning on a lawn mower to not put your hands under the mower deck while the engine is running.

I can shoot most triggers pretty well. The 2.5# glass-break triggers are a joy and the creepy, gritty, grindy, 7# triggers are more challenging. The triggers are a part of the gun’s personality; a learning curve, a couple of rounds down range and your shooting experience will take over and compensate for a poor trigger. A light, crisp trigger does make life easier but it doesn’t hinder a good shooter.

I have a KAHR that was worked over by Cylinder & Slide, it has has an okay trigger. All the other striker fired triggers I’ve shot just sucked, some worse than others but none were good.

Trigger threads are almost as fun as “bear gun” threads.

My rant:

I have way more rounds through Glocks, mostly stock, than anything else, so my opinion sucks. For me, lighter isn’t necessarily better.

I’ve owned two Walther PPQ’s, a .45 and a M2 9MM. Both had light, smooth triggers. Both were fun to shoot. Both were accurate. Both were sold.

I bought an XD 3.3 .45ACP. Put a Powder River Precision trigger in it. Wow! Great trigger! Sold it. I’ve put PRP triggers in several XDms for a friend. He loves them! They are nice triggers and really make the XDm a
Nice shooter.

My Shield 1.0’s had gritty triggers at first but got better with polishing. Sold them when Glock launched the G43X.

I bought a Staccato 2011. I have a friend who is a diehard fan. Great trigger! Very light and accurate. It is being sold…too light!

Sounds fickle, right? Sure. Maybe. Probably. But we all have what we prefer.

The smoothest and lightest Glock triggers I have are a G44 with a Timney Alpha trigger and a G23 G4 that has seen over 13K rounds through it.

If you are a 1911 shooter and you have a Glock you like to shoot at the range or competition and hate the trigger, GET the TIMNEY! It is that good and that much better than anything else. But it is NOT a carry trigger!

I will admit, the G43/43X/48 triggers (I own several) don’t feel like the G17/19 size gun triggers to me. They are “tinny”. I have to shoot them for a while to get them better. My carry is generally a G43X that has a Johnny Glock carry trigger. I like it.

Most of my Glocks have 4.5 connectors and MCARBO spring kits (carry spring weights) and I polish the internals. Works for me…I don’t sell Glocks.

So again, my opinion sucks…and I am clueless when it comes to good or bad triggers. I can shoot almost anything passably, as I have friends with all sorts of flavors of pistols and shoot all fine.

But I know what I prefer and what works for me. YMMV

frogfurr said:

And I absolutely do think a gun with a safety is much more safe than a double action trigger without a safety.

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I have no problems with having manual safeties on guns; I personally wouldn't carry a "typical" striker-fired pistol without one but double-action revolvers have been carried very safely for over a century. Double-action autos, like 3rd Generation Smith & Wessons, Berettas, SIGs and many others can be carried just as safely as da revolvers.

My original Shield trigger is pretty poor. I won't change it, it's fine for a carry pistol, but it isn't a great trigger by any stretch. The 2.0 M&P triggers I have are much better. I haven't tried a Shield Plus but I like the move away from the hinged trigger setup. I have several double action pistols that I find a little more intuitive to shoot well, even with a longer and heavier pull.

Steve S. said:

The 2.5# glass-break triggers are a joy and the creepy, gritty, grindy, 7# triggers are more challenging.

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Gritty and grindy sounds like finishing issues. My P365X had a gritty feeling trigger. But with some careful and judicious polishing to a few critical points in the trigger linkage, that was all that it took to make the trigger a very smooth 7 lb pull.

I can't say it's perfect but when I got the safety warranty repair done for a 7.5" Beretta Neos the trigger was much improved and as an added bonus the safety actually worked all the time. If you've not gotten yours fixed I'd recommend it.

[QUOTE="chicharrones, post: 12178621, member: Plus there are people that started with or prefer DA revolvers and want an autoloader with similar shooting characteristics.[/QUOTE] At one time I was a member of three shooting facilities. What I noticed was that very few individuals shot double action revolvers double action but rather single action and when they did shoot double action their scores were significantly poorer.

You guys judge triggers, the way a Momo judges trucks by the throttle return spring.

"Oh, this one(with a light spring) feels more powerful."

My Glock 41 shot just as well as my 1911 today.

I judge triggers by how hard I have to work at dry firing them, without the sights budging.

Smooth trigger Glocks with the minus connector are obviously better than smaller Glocks.

Glass break 1911 triggers are all the rage, but creepy ones break with less effort usually.

I can make them all work, but hate DAO the most. Followed by DA/SA.

And then theres that S&W junker that came out before the M&P that had the 25 pound trigger. Was it the Sigma?

The key to success is to find a gun with the worst trigger possible, then practice until you've mastered it. From that point forward you're golden.

BC17A said:

The key to success is to find a gun with the worst trigger possible, then practice until you've mastered it. From that point forward you're golden.

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Great thing I have a Rohm RG-10

"The key to success is to find a gun with the worst trigger possible, then practice until you've mastered it. From that point forward you're golden.

That pretty much sums it up. Great post BC17A!

triplebike said:

"The key to success is to find a gun with the worst trigger possible, then practice until you've mastered it. From that point forward you're golden.

That pretty much sums it up. Great post BC17A!

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My favorite dry fire gun is my HK P2000 LEM in the double action. It’s not the worst DA trigger ever, but it is very heavy and long, if smooth. Helps everything out after for sure.

BC17A said:

The key to success is to find a gun with the worst trigger possible, then practice until you've mastered it. From that point forward you're golden.

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Define "worst trigger possible". Double action? Spongy? High poundage on trigger pull? Rough? No detectable reset, or reset is actually a fully released trigger?

One that requires a perfect death grip to keep the sights centered and motionless during dry fire. Or is impossible to do that, like the Sigma.

I can hold a CZ Ts2 with just my pinky finger and slap the trigger, and the sights don't budge.

Worst triggers:
Police DA/SA's-Ruger P series, S&W, M9.
Keltec P32 DAO
J-frame in DA.
Sigma
Ye Olde High Powers
Tons and tons of DA revolvers of all brands.

RetiredUSNChief said:

Define "worst trigger possible". Double action? Spongy? High poundage on trigger pull? Rough? No detectable reset, or reset is actually a fully released trigger?

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Heavy, gritty and spongy will do. Get decent with that and they'll appreciate just about anything else.