fxvr5
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Thoughts on the .30 Super Carry
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See post 30.
captain awesome
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if they want it to succeed they should flood the market with as much ammo as possible and price it well below 9mm. then do the same with affordable reliable handguns. it would catch on in a hurry. of course they would have to set a maximum price per round as part of the distribution agreement.
tactikel
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Proprietary cartridges have always about maximizing profits. The same raw materials that make a 9mm (that sells at little to no profit) makes a .30 SC with 500% more profit. This has been the norm for 150 years, and is not a bad thing. Scores of outstanding cartridges have resulted. I’ll keep my 9mm, but I bought and really like my 350 Legend for deer hunting.
I see the appeal for this cartridge much as the military saw the need for the 5.56x45. When compared to the 9x19 the 30 SC looks pretty good.
I will be watching for tests of this cartridge in longer barrels in the 10-18" lengths.
I will be watching for tests of this cartridge in longer barrels in the 10-18" lengths.
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Because you want a carbine in 30 SC or why ?
I would have more interest in a pistol chambered in 30 Super Carry if I could have a carbine to go with it.
Zerodefect
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The whole purpose of the round is to be cheaper and easier to produce, with 9mm performance.
Make it cheaper than 9mm, and it'll sell.
That's why the 9mm fans are so threatened by it. It illustrates the real reason 9mm is the most popular, not the reason they've been trying to believe for decades.
If 30sc has low recoil and more capacity, that's nice to.
Make it cheaper than 9mm, and it'll sell.
That's why the 9mm fans are so threatened by it. It illustrates the real reason 9mm is the most popular, not the reason they've been trying to believe for decades.
If 30sc has low recoil and more capacity, that's nice to.
Carl N. Brown
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Unlike a .32 Magnum revolver which can also fire .32 H&R Mag, .32 S&W Long and .32 S&W,
a .30 Super automatic pistol probably won't function with the lesser precursor rounds, 7.65x20 Longue, .30 Pederson, .32 ACP.
In 1960s, the Astra 400 was advertised as firing 9mm Largo, .38 Auto, 9mm Luger and .380 ACP. Versatility! But nooo, manufacturers ignored multi-caliber versatility and continued to make automatic pistols for just one cartridge, and you see how that worked out in the market place. Any gun for .30 Super only is doomed.
a .30 Super automatic pistol probably won't function with the lesser precursor rounds, 7.65x20 Longue, .30 Pederson, .32 ACP.
In 1960s, the Astra 400 was advertised as firing 9mm Largo, .38 Auto, 9mm Luger and .380 ACP. Versatility! But nooo, manufacturers ignored multi-caliber versatility and continued to make automatic pistols for just one cartridge, and you see how that worked out in the market place. Any gun for .30 Super only is doomed.
megatronrules
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I agree with you totally on this. If this were to happen I'd likely buy the smaller gun chambered for it.
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I just don't see the appeal of it. It fits the ballistic gap between 9mm Luger and 380 ACP. And there isn't much gap there to take advantage of. The focus I see is +2 on capacity in a comparable 9mm gun. I have never been strangely focused on capacity for a carry gun. I carry either a single stack or a double stack with a spare magazine regardless. That is not because I think I will need that extra 17 or 7/8 rounds in a fire fight. In my training methodology a spare magazine is to overcome the weakest part of a semi auto: mag related failures. For me, a +2 on capacity is not enough reason to jump on board with another caliber to replace or compliment my 9mms.
I know that the Federal videos say that the 30 SC " Bridges the Ultimate Gap Between .380 Auto and 9mm Luger", but the Federal 30 SC 100gr HST penetrates 15.5" in the Heavy Clothing test. Fifteen inches of penetration is about what the 9mm rounds do, with a bit more expansion than 30 SC. It doesn't seem like its sitting in a gap. It seems like a smaller diameter round with about the same recoil and close to the same terminal performance as 9mm.
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It will be as dead as the glock 45 GAP or the 9mm rimmed Federal in couple of years.........It fills NO NICHE.
If the ammunition cost as mentioned were less than 9x19 the 30 SC would catch on. As mentioned the firearms for cartridge must follow in short order and not be based on a 9x19 platform IMO.
Then it could take off.
tark
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Same here. It doesn't really mean anything in the real world. A bullet for a four bore elephant rifle can weigh as much as 2,000 gr. If it can be propelled at 80 F.P.S...and you can probably THROW it that fast... it makes major in the I.P.S.C. crowd's book. By the "power factor's" equation it is just as powerful as the 230 gr. 45 ACP round. But it is nowhere near as deadly. Actually, obviously, it isn't really "deadly" at all ! But hey, it makes "MAJOR!!"
And those claims were parroted by idiots who knew nothing about the gun. 400s were designed to shoot the Largo round and nothing else. The fact that the 9mm Steyr will function in 400s is simply a coincidence, the Steyr round is slightly tapered and it will chamber and fire in every 400 I have owned. This interchangeability is a one way street. The Largo round has no taper and usually will not fully chamber in the Steyr pistol. Firing .38 ACP rounds will sometimes work, IF THE RIM fits into the breech face. Many 400s will not accept the .405 semi-rim on the super cartridge. Supers aren't a good Idea, for obvious reasons.
This brings us to the 9X19, which is a REALLY bad idea. The case 4mm too short and the round can be pushed forward in the chamber, leaving it sitting ahead of the extractor . The firing pin on a 400 is free floating. It can jump forward and ignite the primer which will back out of the case and give the shooter a face full of gas. This usually trashes the grips, along with the shooter's hand, and may eject the magazine.
I'm trying to think of any self defense caliber that ISN'T ear splitting to shoot without hearing protection...
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If I were just getting into defensive handguns, I would look very seriously at the .30SC. As it stands, I already have a significant investment in firearms and ammunition and I don't see the .30SC as attractive/superior enough to make me want to change over or even branch out.
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It's pretty much me sitting on a pile of guns in .45 ACP and thinking that I should've gone with 9mm when I started out.
I have an interest in 30SC mostly because it is something new and hopefully some gun manufacturer will make a gun tailored to the size of the 30SC round.
But, without a law enforcement or military contract, I doubt civilian sales will sustain the continued sales of the round.
But, without a law enforcement or military contract, I doubt civilian sales will sustain the continued sales of the round.
Old Dog
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<yawn> Are we there yet?
From a purely pragmatic point of view, having spent the last ten years stocking up on enough ammunition to last the rest of my life, with nothing to look forward to but the increasing scarcity of factory ammo and constantly rising prices, getting in to a totally new caliber would be stupid.
I foolishly dabbled in the 6.5 Creedmore after swearing I'd never attempt a brandnew cartridge ever again (goodbye forever, .40 S&W) so I won't make this mistake again.
However, if I get the chance to shoot a high-quality pistol chambered in this new cartridge, I may just go ahead and fire some rounds down range.
From a purely pragmatic point of view, having spent the last ten years stocking up on enough ammunition to last the rest of my life, with nothing to look forward to but the increasing scarcity of factory ammo and constantly rising prices, getting in to a totally new caliber would be stupid.
I foolishly dabbled in the 6.5 Creedmore after swearing I'd never attempt a brandnew cartridge ever again (goodbye forever, .40 S&W) so I won't make this mistake again.
However, if I get the chance to shoot a high-quality pistol chambered in this new cartridge, I may just go ahead and fire some rounds down range.
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Alllen Bundy
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Personal Protection: .30 Super Carry Evaluation - by Paul Harrell - Apr 10, 2022
OMG its the Paul Harrell "Meat Target"
Leather couch skin
Pork chop pectoral
Pork rib
Bag-of-Oranges "lung tissue"
Pork ribs
Four layers of T-shirt in the front, 4 layers on the back
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EminentScornfulConure-mobile.mp4
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Leather couch skin
Pork chop pectoral
Pork rib
Bag-of-Oranges "lung tissue"
Pork ribs
Four layers of T-shirt in the front, 4 layers on the back
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EminentScornfulConure-mobile.mp4
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Alllen Bundy
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You forgot the new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop!
Monac
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Not looking too good for 30 SC on the meat target. Better than a pointed stick, but what was the advantage over 9mm again?
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "meat market". Also, I thought the advantage over 9mm was that is was smaller while being of comparable power? So you could fit more of them into an existing pistol design, or design a new and smaller pistol.
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Alllen Bundy
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It's meat "TARGET". It's a target made from pork ribs, couch leather, oranges, and clothing used to simulate the human body.
Go to Timestamp 14:15 to see the full explanation of the "Meat Target".
Personal Protection: .30 Super Carry Evaluation - by Paul Harrell - Apr 10, 2022
FYI, Paul Harrell is a former military firearms instructor and he seems to be a common sense kinda guy.
Alllen Bundy
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Using the 30 Super Carry to replace the 9mm cartridge, just to get a few extra rounds into the magazine, seems like a bad idea. It's just NOT a 9mm equivalent.
HOWEVER, the 30 Super Carry COULD be used to replace the .380 ACP, which appears to be for all practical purposes the equivalent of an underpowered 9mm round which may not always have sufficient velocity for reliable expansion.
The 30 Super Carry could be fitted with a lighter grain bullet that would always have sufficient velocity for reliable expansion. The recoil would be less than a 9mm and that would be a HUGE benefit for people with weaker hands and wrists or people with arthritis. You could also make the pistol slightly thinner. The magazine could hold a couple of extra rounds which could help make up for the lesser effectiveness of the lighter grain bullet. This would be a legitimate application for the 30 Super Carry.
Whatever caliber you carry for self defense, it should ALWAYS be capable of having sufficient velocity for the bullet to fully expand under ALL conditions. You do NOT want a bullet to fail to fully expand, go through your intended target, and then hit an innocent person.
HOWEVER, the 30 Super Carry COULD be used to replace the .380 ACP, which appears to be for all practical purposes the equivalent of an underpowered 9mm round which may not always have sufficient velocity for reliable expansion.
The 30 Super Carry could be fitted with a lighter grain bullet that would always have sufficient velocity for reliable expansion. The recoil would be less than a 9mm and that would be a HUGE benefit for people with weaker hands and wrists or people with arthritis. You could also make the pistol slightly thinner. The magazine could hold a couple of extra rounds which could help make up for the lesser effectiveness of the lighter grain bullet. This would be a legitimate application for the 30 Super Carry.
Whatever caliber you carry for self defense, it should ALWAYS be capable of having sufficient velocity for the bullet to fully expand under ALL conditions. You do NOT want a bullet to fail to fully expand, go through your intended target, and then hit an innocent person.
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