30 Carbine Maker Bullets

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MAKER BULLETS
Product ID 30811030Carbine
Manufacturer Makerammo LLc
SKU 308-110g-30Car-REX
110 Grain 30 Cal Carbine Expanding Bullets (Box Qty - 50)

https://makerbullets.com/products.php?cat=3&pg=2

I have reloaded countless 30 Carbine rounds over the years. Hornady FMJ, & Short Jacket, Speer Plinkers, Plated, Cast, Coated, ect. My usual powders are H-110 and IMR 4227. My issue the Maker Bullets are much longer than standard bullets because of the absence of lead. I am concerned with the lack of case capacity with this bullet seated. I, well, let say not in the mood for a catastrophic over pressure event. Any help or guidance regarding this or any all copper projectiles would be greatly appreciated.
 
0.68 for a bullet seems very expensive to me.

Usually a bullet manufacturer will give you an OAL for their bullets using certain powders. Hornady and Speer publishes that data in their manuals. If the bullet mfg. doesn't publish that load data with certain powders, that just means they're making bullets without any testing. If that's the case I would stay away.
 
Maker bullets builds a bullet specific for the 30 Carbine. I have not used it, but I have used alot of the heavy 30 call bullets for my subsonic 300 BO and love them. Good service, good product.
 
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They do make a lot of bullets for 300 Blk. This one, is as shown, is for 30 Carbine. It's a deadly round as shown on YouTube hunting videos.

I have an AR-15 & AR-10 for, God forbid, the SHTF. My wife is petite, and has Muscular Distrophy, therefore needs a light weapon. She is also a Pharmacist. Let's just say she can run the M1 Carbine, with a red dot, faster than she can fill scripts. It's light enough for her, and whenever we go to the range, I have to pry it out of her hands so I can shoot it.

Yes the bullets are expensive, but I'm not going to be shooting off hundreds of these rounds. I want to develop a reliable load, have her practice w/ them, then load them for 2 legged critters, hopefully never to be needed.
MAKER BULLETS do not list any load data. I have reached out to them, but no reply yet.
 
MagnumSRT8 said:
Reloading help needed badly

MAKER BULLETS
Product ID 30811030Carbine
Manufacturer Makerammo LLc
SKU 308-110g-30Car-REX
110 Grain 30 Cal Carbine Expanding Bullets (Box Qty - 50)

https://makerbullets.com/products.php?cat=3&pg=2

I have reloaded countless 30 Carbine rounds over the years. Hornady FMJ, & Short Jacket, Speer Plinkers, Plated, Cast, Coated, ect. My usual powders are H-110 and IMR 4227. My issue the Maker Bullets are much longer than standard bullets because of the absence of lead. I am concerned with the lack of case capacity with this bullet seated. I, well, let say not in the mood for a catastrophic over pressure event. Any help or guidance regarding this or any all copper projectiles would be greatly appreciated.
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The Speer 110gr. FMJ Carbine bullet has an OAL of 0.670"
The Maker 110gr. REX Carbine bullet has an OAL of 0.891"
The bullet OAL difference is 0.221". You're right to be concerned. That's a good bit longer - a 0.221" difference is almost a third of the standard FMJ milspec bullet's length.
However, the Speer 110gr. seats to 1.680" (SAAMI max.) in order to clear the magazine and feed reliably so their loading data is for a bullet seated 0.010" long - compared to milspec (1.670"). You will probably want to seat to a similar OAL since that's about the longest you can get without worrying about magazine feeding issues. If your magazines allow for a longer OAL, by all means try it out. I would suggest IMR 4227 for your powder and cutting your loads in half to start and working up to the point where they cycle the action reliably.
I know that's all very vague but it's the best I can come up with short of suggesting you go out and buy QuickLoads and trust the programmer to know best.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
The Speer 110gr. FMJ Carbine bullet has an OAL of 0.670"
The Maker 110gr. REX Carbine bullet has an OAL of 0.891"
The bullet OAL difference is 0.221". You're right to be concerned. That's a good bit longer - a 0.221" difference is almost a third of the standard FMJ milspec bullet's length.
However, the Speer 110gr. seats to 1.680" (SAAMI max.) in order to clear the magazine and feed reliably so their loading data is for a bullet seated 0.010" long - compared to milspec (1.670"). You will probably want to seat to a similar OAL since that's about the longest you can get without worrying about magazine feeding issues. If your magazines allow for a longer OAL, by all means try it out. I would suggest IMR 4227 for your powder and cutting your loads in half to start and working up to the point where they cycle the action reliably.
I know that's all very vague but it's the best I can come up with short of suggesting you go out and buy QuickLoads and trust the programmer to know best.
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Gordon's reloading tool is free for now. It will give you some idea.... the shooters world heavy pistol might also be a good choice.
 
Actually already own QuickLoads. I don't know if I want to trust the side of my face to it's figures.

Thank you for the advice. Your logical. Been hoping for a good reply from 3 different forums. You all are the best. I'll try to update but it may be 3-4 weeks. I hate moving
 
I like the idea of cutting the load in half, but I would be concerned about squibbing at that reduced charge with a bullet with that much more bearing surface. I would say it’s a good starting point, but I would strongly suggest shooting with a rope at a target about 50 ft away. 50 ft isn’t much but you shouldn’t miss. If there’s any issue of centripetal destruction, keyholing, squibbing, tumbling, etc you can probably see it on paper if you look. I would load one at a time and not have a mag inserted just in case something comes apart and that action needs to dump pressure. Once you get comfortable with the load then you can start tinkering.

Or if you have videos of people using them then I would reach out to those guys and see if they can help.
 
I had not seen these bullets before,
however, I have purchased and loaded the Lehigh Defense 85gr .30 Carbine Xtreme Cavitator bullets which is also a monolithic copper bullet.
They shoot well out of my M1 Carbine, Yes, they are expensive, but most monolithic copper bullets are.
LD also provides load data for their bullets.

They are an odd shape, look like a square bit drive.
LD85gr.jpg
Underwood loads this bullet and there are some youtube video reviews.
 
Thank you very much !! This will give me an idea of what I'm looking for.

The two things I'm concerned about:

First, How far the base of the bullet sits down into the case. The amount of room between the powder and the base of the projectile can dictate case pressure.
Secondly, The actual bearing surface of the bullet will dictate how difficult it is for the bullet to travel down the bore. For example if the bearing surface is twice that of a standard 110 gr. fmj you're going to get a jump in case pressure.

Again thank you so much for the information, it gives me an idea of where to start. If it is not too much trouble can you measure the overall length of the projectile. A measurement of how far the bullet sits down into the case would also be helpful.
 
MagnumSRT8 said:
Thank you very much !! This will give me an idea of what I'm looking for.

The two things I'm concerned about:

First, How far the base of the bullet sits down into the case. The amount of room between the powder and the base of the projectile can dictate case pressure.
Secondly, The actual bearing surface of the bullet will dictate how difficult it is for the bullet to travel down the bore. For example if the bearing surface is twice that of a standard 110 gr. fmj you're going to get a jump in case pressure.

Again thank you so much for the information, it gives me an idea of where to start. If it is not too much trouble can you measure the overall length of the projectile. A measurement of how far the bullet sits down into the case would also be helpful.
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If this is directed at my post, Lehigh Defense has the bullet dimensions with their load data on their website.
https://lehighdefense.com/308-caliber-85-grain-xtreme-cavitator-lead-free-bullets.html

In a nutshell, these bullets are .690" long vs. .670" for Speer 110gr FMJ, they used a seating depth of 1.65" in their load data which is a little deeper than the 1.68" I normally seat my 110gr Carbine bullets to. The edge of the case sits right at the lower cannelure which measures .298" from the base.

I'm interested in Maker Bullets response, but I have read on other forums that they never got a response when asking these questions.
Apparently people load them starting with data for similar length/weight monolithic bullets, unfortunately, there are no similar bullets for the .30 carbine.
I saw 1 review of the Carbine bullets on the website, but the guy mentions using a "mild load" of lilgun powder.

Here are a couple of test loads at 25M with my '44 Underwood, Group 1 (lower) is 14gr H110 and Group 2 is 14.5gr H110
All rounds feed and extract normally and no pressure signs on the cases.
LD-testloads.jpg
 
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BudrowBob said:
If this is directed at my post, Lehigh Defense has the bullet dimensions with their load data on their website.
https://lehighdefense.com/308-caliber-85-grain-xtreme-cavitator-lead-free-bullets.html

In a nutshell, these bullets are .690" long vs. .670" for Speer 110gr FMJ, they used a seating depth of 1.65" in their load data which is a little deeper than the 1.68" I normally seat my 110gr Carbine bullets to. The edge of the case sits right at the lower cannelure which measures .298" from the base.

I'm interested in Maker Bullets response, but I have read on other forums that they never got a response when asking these questions.
Apparently people load them starting with data for similar length/weight monolithic bullets, unfortunately, there are no similar bullets for the .30 carbine.
I saw 1 review of the Carbine bullets on the website, but the guy mentions using a "mild load" of lilgun powder
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Yes, I meant the message based on your response. I hit the wrong button. Thank you for the great amount of information. It's very helpful. I reached out to Maker but have not received a response.

It looks like you have a fine and accurate M1 Carbine. I have a repro, Auto-Ordnance. I started a collection 30+ years ago. It's goal is one pistol and one rifle for every major war the United States fought in. I have a 1911, and a HRA Correct Grade M1 Garand to fulfill WWII. I have yet to find an original Brown Bess that I could afford. Since I completed everything else I started to collect a few extra goodies from WWII. I have a Mosin Nagant, K98, 1903A4 w/original 300M scope and Redfield mount (ouch), and finally a SMLE.

Thank you again for the great info. I started reloading before the Obama(nation) took office. Everyone knew how 2A friendly he was, so I started rolling my own ammo. I have always been conservative in reloading. This will be my first time not using printed data and components. I also posted the same question on the forum The Firing Line. No BS, I had a response that recommended putting a target 5 feet in front of the muzzle to ensure no squib load, tie a string to the trigger and stand back. I know it was trolling but really?

I think I will try your way of working on this load. I only have H110, IMR 4227, and AAC-9. I will probably try IMR 4227 first. I found this the other day.
Handloader Issue 156 - March/April, 1992
15.0 grains with a 110gr Sierra round nose is a compressed load. I have used 14.5gr of 4227 and it looks close to leaving no gap between bullet and powder. I have never used a compressed load before. I will put the info into QuickLoad and keep my fingers crossed that I will have all my fingers when done testing. It may take a week or two but I'll post the results.
 
MagnumSRT8 said:
This will be my first time not using printed data and components. I also posted the same question on the forum The Firing Line. No BS, I had a response that recommended putting a target 5 feet in front of the muzzle to ensure no squib load, tie a string to the trigger and stand back. I know it was trolling but really?

I think I will try your way of working on this load. I only have H110, IMR 4227, and AAC-9. I will probably try IMR 4227 first. I found this the other day.
Handloader Issue 156 - March/April, 1992
15.0 grains with a 110gr Sierra round nose is a compressed load. I have used 14.5gr of 4227 and it looks close to leaving no gap between bullet and powder. I have never used a compressed load before. I will put the info into QuickLoad and keep my fingers crossed that I will have all my fingers when done testing. It may take a week or two but I'll post the results.
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I'm confused as to which bullets you are loading....
The Lehigh Defense bullets I load have data
I don't know what I would do with those Maker bullets, but I definately would not load 15gr of ANYTHING behind them.
My suggestion was to buy monolithic copper bullets that have load data.
I would probably put Makers on a shelf until I got some real load data from somewhere.
 
I am looking to load the Maker bullets. I certainly don't intend to start loading them with 15gr of 4227, that would be asking for plastic surgery. Not to mention there's no way 15gr would fit in the case because the bullet is too long. What I trying to say is that I may start by using 4227.

The max load listed is 15gr under a Sierra 110gr Soft point and that load is compressed. I have used this exact bullet and powder. At 14-14.5grs it makes a good accurate load.

The concern I have is that once this longer bullet is loaded in the case there would be a lack of space between the bullet base and powder charge. I just found the info from Handload Magazine. I know when looking at listed loads this is why they say not to swap components from published load data. A longer bullet will take up more case volume when seated to correct COL. There are published loads that have 4227 compressed at a 15gr max load. I did not know this before. This powder seems safe having no gap between bullet base and powder charge. It even goes as far as to state you can have a compressed charge.

If I decide to try this combo out I am going to use the well published 60% rule. That means a starting load of 9grs. IMR 4227 seems to be happy with a powder gap all the way up to being compressed. I did not know that before getting your help and running with some of your information. I appreciate your help. I still want to do some more research before trying it out.

This is giving me a whole new respect for people who wildcat cartridges.
 
BudrowBob said:
I'm confused as to which bullets you are loading....
The Lehigh Defense bullets I load have data
I don't know what I would do with those Maker bullets, but I definately would not load 15gr of ANYTHING behind them.
My suggestion was to buy monolithic copper bullets that have load data.
I would probably put Makers on a shelf until I got some real load data from somewhere.
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BudrowBob, hit the wrong button again. My prior post was a supposed to be a reply.
 
MagnumSRT8 said:
I am looking to load the Maker bullets. I certainly don't intend to start loading them with 15gr of 4227, that would be asking for plastic surgery. Not to mention there's no way 15gr would fit in the case because the bullet is too long. What I trying to say is that I may start by using 4227.

The max load listed is 15gr under a Sierra 110gr Soft point and that load is compressed. I have used this exact bullet and powder. At 14-14.5grs it makes a good accurate load.

The concern I have is that once this longer bullet is loaded in the case there would be a lack of space between the bullet base and powder charge. I just found the info from Handload Magazine. I know when looking at listed loads this is why they say not to swap components from published load data. A longer bullet will take up more case volume when seated to correct COL. There are published loads that have 4227 compressed at a 15gr max load. I did not know this before. This powder seems safe having no gap between bullet base and powder charge. It even goes as far as to state you can have a compressed charge.

If I decide to try this combo out I am going to use the well published 60% rule. That means a starting load of 9grs. IMR 4227 seems to be happy with a powder gap all the way up to being compressed. I did not know that before getting your help and running with some of your information. I appreciate your help. I still want to do some more research before trying it out.

This is giving me a whole new respect for people who wildcat cartridges.
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My mistake was that I did not realize you already had the Makers Bullets, I thought your questions were before buying them.
From what I have read online you will not get any response from Makers.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing a progress report.
 
I did order 1 box, I should have researched for load data first. I will definitely give updates once I feel I have enough information to be safe. I have all the equipment to fully test everything ie. Chrono, and gelatine blocks.
 
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