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No. What other rights require a class in order to exercise said right? The right to keep and bear arms is just that, a right. It is not a privilege that can or should be controlled by the government. The inclusion of the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights was meant to clearly state that these rights, all of them, were inherent to a person at their birth and not a stipulation or privilege granted by the government.
 
Robert said:
No. What other rights require a class in order to exercise said right? The right to keep and bear arms is just that, a right. It is not a privilege that can or should be controlled by the government. The inclusion of the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights was meant to clearly state that these rights, all of them, were inherent to a person at their birth and not a stipulation or privilege granted by the government.
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^^^^^^^^
YES...THIS!
 
If a person has never been around guns. Someone experanced should show them the ropes. I helped a fellow with his glock. It wasn't cycleing. New gun with a few mags through. I asked him if he cleaned the packing oils out when he got it. Nope he said. He was not aware a new gun needed to be cleaned. I did a quick field strip. And cleaned it with some remoil. He was back up and running then.
 
lovehappiness22 said:
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Which government?
Whose government?

The American government is specifically forbidden from limiting our ability to communicate amongst ourselves or to abridge our right to keep and bear arms.
Any government-imposed test would automatically remove the government's right to govern.

The Constitution belongs to the American people, not the American government.
 
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I definitely think it should be manitory
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Sure. But only if it's taught in the curriculum of all public schools, elementary through high school. And licenses to carry firearms are totally free of charge.

Oh, and only if we start making training to breed new human babies mandatory as well.

While we're at it, let's make training to become and informed voter mandatory also.
 
Old Dog said:
Sure. But only if it's taught in the curriculum of all public schools, elementary through high school. And licenses to carry firearms are totally free of charge.

Oh, and only if we start making training to breed new human babies mandatory as well.

While we're at it, let's make training to become and informed voter mandatory also.
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Good points, I'd even include mandatory training for becoming a politician so they know how not to trample yhe Peoples rights and mandatory training g for being s prosecutor such that all 23,000 gun laws are prosecuted whether the lesser crimes are absolved or lessened that makes more sense.
I might add that my license to carry be accepted in all areas of all 50 states.
 
lovehappiness22 said:
I definitely think it should be manitory
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You are entitled to have that opinion.

lovehappiness22 said:
I also believe people should under go a mental health check up before granting of any gun or permit
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Ok, would that also apply to before any use of 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th Amendment rights?
Twitter would be a lot calmer to read if a pre-1st Amendment requirement--also significantly more laconic.

lovehappiness22 said:
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This would be the same government that runs the DMV, right?
And the Post Office (if indirectly at present).
And the same outfit that has made the VA the envy of the world, too.

These things are easy to remonstrate upon.

Several things become a serious issue in actual, real-world application though.
Firearms training is expensive. Ranges and facilities and the like are expensive. Qualified training personnel are even more expensive.
Then, there is the issue of minimum standards, and who measures them and ensures they are in force. Somebody would have to establish those. Which adds yet another layer of cost on the process.
And, to a given extent, firearms training could/can be quantifiable (even if that creates its own debate).

The same can be said for mental health. Which is even less measurable in absolute terms. And, even professionals with equivalent experience and education disagree about fundamental aspects of mental health. Which poses the very real question of what good is a mental health check if the mental health professional is not any good.

Then, you have the issue of application. Do you require all owners to do this from some instant date? Does that mean they half to self-report? (There are 4th & 5th Amendment implications there .) Only new owners? How are those identified? (Back to those pesky amendments.) Will there be an exemption for prior Military Service?

Then, there is the other issue about application--US citizens are not uniformly distributed across the vase expanse of the Nation. Income levels, too, are not equally distributed, either. So, would this require a poor dirt farmer to traverse the entire width of Wyoming to go to the one training center and MHP in (probably) Cody?

This is not something where only a few thousand are affected, your proposal would affect from 140 to 180 million Americans. And only the law abiding ones at that. (For perspective, the US population during WWII was 140 million.)
 
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