Anyone Anticipate A Resurrection Of The Assault Weapons Ban?

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I`m seeing more references to " The majority of Americans being in favor" of a ban. Obviously this would include the multitude of AR platforms.
 
All I have to say is I find it amazing how this happens during an off election year. Really in this day and age a door left unlocked, there is just so many very odd things here.

Unless Nov does not go the way we hope, who can tell.
 
I expect to see some sort of National Red Flag law being passed. As for a ban on "Assault weapons" ( which has never been adequately defined), I would like to know what they plan to do about the millions of rifles already owned by law abiding citizens.
 
The are always polls after these horrors supporting an AWB, but there are also polls supporting laws allowing permitted carry on school grounds as a way to respond to the horrors. Nothing in the first week after these massacres is useful.

Considering school shooters are ~18 years old, you're more likely to see legislation proposed to make 21 the age to purchase any firearm.
 
The loss of children is a gut wrenching thing as usual the tool will get the blame. Evil is only stopped by good people ready and willing to do what's required to save innocent life. Evil people use jets,knives,bats, guns, Horrible loss of life can be perpetrated with a 5 gallon can of gas and some bike locks. You can't eliminate this sort of thing in a free country. Red flag laws are more dangerous than an AWB in my opinion we as citizens must not be denied our right to a jury trial before being stripped of property or freedom. I will not allow my right to defend me and mine be stripped these tragedy's should make people get training and stand ready.
 
Regardless of political persuasion, I can`t imagine anyone of ANY political persuasion not agreeing that we have a problem in our nation with violence perpetrated with the use of firearms, and I`m not just referring to these mass shootings, as horrific as they are. I also believe that it goes without saying that the rub comes in when trying to determine what to do about it. SOMETHING needs to happen. Hopefully it can be agreed that there are individuals (we all probably know some! ) in our society that should not have access to firearms. Of course, a firearm is something that`s an easy target for political action. You can see it, feel it, it`s finite, as opposed to hard-to-get-your-arms-around things such as mental health and all that things like that entail. Not to mention the fact that it`s a hell of a lot cheaper to pass laws and bans than to deal with mental health on a grand scale. And that doesn`t even begin to impact the deep societal issues that have played a major role, IMHO, that have gotten us to this point in the first place.
 
Turkeytider said:
Regardless of political persuasion, I can`t imagine anyone of ANY political persuasion not agreeing that we have a problem in our nation with violence perpetrated with the use of firearms, and I`m not just referring to these mass shootings, as horrific as they are. I also believe that it goes without saying that the rub comes in when trying to determine what to do about it. SOMETHING needs to happen. Hopefully it can be agreed that there are individuals (we all probably know some! ) in our society that should not have access to firearms. Of course, a firearm is something that`s an easy target for political action. You can see it, feel it, it`s finite, as opposed to hard-to-get-your-arms-around things such as mental health and all that things like that entail. Not to mention the fact that it`s a hell of a lot cheaper to pass laws and bans than to deal with mental health on a grand scale. And that doesn`t even begin to impact the deep societal issues that have played a major role, IMHO, that have gotten us to this point in the first place.
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Exactly the crux. "SOMETHING" needs to happen, even if the "SOMETHING" is a proven failure, because it is easier to be perceived as doing "SOMETHING" than to address the real issues.
 
hso said:
Considering school shooters are ~18 years old, you're more likely to see legislation proposed to make 21 the age to purchase any firearm.
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I agree that this is the direction it would take, if anything at all is done. The betting, of course, is that nothing will be done.

It used to be that handguns were seen as the most dangerous weapons. Therefore, the federal age for purchase of handguns was set at 21. Now, the semiautomatic rifle with removable magazine ("assault weapon") has moved into that spot. Making the age 21 for purchase of those would at least be logically consistent. The legislators are likely to be lazy and make 21 the age for purchase of all firearms.

This is the time for the pro-gun side to demand concessions. A "compromise" means that we get something, not that we give up less than what is originally proposed. How about repealing the Hughes Amendment? (Regulate machine guns the same way cannons are regulated.)
 
Turkeytider said:
Regardless of political persuasion, I can`t imagine anyone of ANY political persuasion not agreeing that we have a problem in our nation with violence perpetrated with the use of firearms
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You can drop “firearms” from the statement and it remains true. Tells me “firearms” are not the key in solving the issue.

How is violence in the utopian areas of this Country that have already disarmed the innocent in the name of public safety?

Do you think that’s because of laws against guns or policies that allow crime to flourish?
 
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This is the time for the pro-gun side to demand concessions. A "compromise" means that we get something, not that we give up less than what is originally proposed. How about repealing the Hughes Amendment?
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Yeah, and I would like a unicorn to bring be ice cream sprinkled with fairy dust.

You think they would open the registry on full autos when they ban semi’s? The last (R) POTUS didn’t even grandfather bump stocks. I figure they will use that precedent to eliminate them. Not set things back up so everyone can form 1 into them into machineguns.
 
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Do you think that’s because of laws against guns or policies that allow crime to flourish?
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Crimes take place because of the confluence of Means, Motive, and Opportunity. Crimes can be prevented if we break the linkages between these three. In the case of mass shootings, the Means are the guns, the Motive is the general craziness of maladjusted people, and the Opportunity is soft targets such as schools, churches, and shopping centers. We're already doing what we can (obviously not enough) to harden the targets. We can't remove the guns or the crazy people. So the only thing left is to try to prevent the crazy people from linking up with the guns. We need to think seriously about how to do this, while letting non-crazy people keep their guns.
 
I purchased my first military-style semi-auto centerfire rifle in the 5 months between turning 18 and my HS graduation in 1994. Yeah, the stupid show was in full-effect back then too.

Why should my son, now 16, or daughter, now 12, be denied the same right when they turn 18?

Why do the actions of a miniscule population of degenerate losers have any applicabilty to other responsible teens?
 
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Well, I don't know what the OP means by "resurrection" of the AWB, because it's "resurrected" by a new bill introduced, then that's done each and every session of Congress, as it already has been done this session. If by passage of new law, then I think it's a pretty slim chance and would need killing the filibuster rule in the Senate, which is itself a pretty slim chance.
 
Turkeytider said:
I`m seeing more references to " The majority of Americans being in favor" of a ban.
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Yet another poltical and media lie, as is the lie about "this only happens in the U.S." Sen. Cruz missed a golden opportunity to rebut that. Doesn't he know the worst mass mruders have occurred in other countries? On a per-capita basis the U.S. is well down on the rankings.

 
Turkeytider said:
Regardless of political persuasion, I can`t imagine anyone of ANY political persuasion not agreeing that we have a problem in our nation with violence perpetrated with the use of firearms, and I`m not just referring to these mass shootings, as horrific as they are. I also believe that it goes without saying that the rub comes in when trying to determine what to do about it. SOMETHING needs to happen. Hopefully it can be agreed that there are individuals (we all probably know some! ) in our society that should not have access to firearms. Of course, a firearm is something that`s an easy target for political action. You can see it, feel it, it`s finite, as opposed to hard-to-get-your-arms-around things such as mental health and all that things like that entail. Not to mention the fact that it`s a hell of a lot cheaper to pass laws and bans than to deal with mental health on a grand scale. And that doesn`t even begin to impact the deep societal issues that have played a major role, IMHO, that have gotten us to this point in the first place.
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If you passed a law that all children have to go to church Sunday school and bible camp, it would a lot farther to ending school shootimgs than any gun law could.
 
To me, it seems that the gun control goons don't really want to hear how many "military style" semi-auto firearms actually exist in civilian hands (~30 million of all styles?) It fits their echo-chamber narrative much better if they can be viewed as only owned by white supremacists and incel loners living in Mom's basement.
 
AlexanderA said:
Crimes take place because of the confluence of Means, Motive, and Opportunity. Crimes can be prevented if we break the linkages between these three. In the case of mass shootings, the Means are the guns, the Motive is the general craziness of maladjusted people, and the Opportunity is soft targets such as schools, churches, and shopping centers. We're already doing what we can (obviously not enough) to harden the targets. We can't remove the guns or the crazy people. So the only thing left is to try to prevent the crazy people from linking up with the guns. We need to think seriously about how to do this, while letting non-crazy people keep their guns.
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Agree wholeheartedly with your last two statements. Unfortunately, those may prove too complex and/or expensive to get political traction. Far easier ( and cheaper ) to go after the tools and/or impose blanket restrictions on the public as a whole in the form of sweeping bans or legal dictates.
 
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