Hypothetical question 45ACP vs 357 mag

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A lot of good advice here again. I knew if I asked the question you all would bring up different things I didn't think of. I definitely do not want to get hurt or if I do make things worse by having a pistol jammed into me.

I was originally thinking about carrying in my tank bag. But I don't really like that option either for several reasons. My brother seems to make a habit of wanting to stop at little stores a lot. If I go inside the store with him I don't feel bad about leaving my tank bag because it's usually in and out quick and everything is usually in my sight. Plus there isn't really anything too important in it. If I had a weapon in my tank bag I would either have to take it off which isn't hard but it's not fun. Or wait outside.

I know years ago I worked with a guy that had a fanny pack that was a holster for his 1911. I believe it had a Velcro type setup that you pulled on to drop the storage compartment and expose the holster part for a quick draw.

I definitely appreciate the good advice.
 
crestoncowboy said:
The bicycle patrol actually went to a chest rig and a smaller Glock 26 (from the 17) after the incident. Ive never tried one personally.
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i got it for hunting with my blackhawk. i've only worn it a couple times and will do so again if i ever go out on my quad again.

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Waterboy3313 said:
A lot of good advice here again. I knew if I asked the question you all would bring up different things I didn't think of. I definitely do not want to get hurt or if I do make things worse by having a pistol jammed into me.

I was originally thinking about carrying in my tank bag. But I don't really like that option either for several reasons. My brother seems to make a habit of wanting to stop at little stores a lot. If I go inside the store with him I don't feel bad about leaving my tank bag because it's usually in and out quick and everything is usually in my sight. Plus there isn't really anything too important in it. If I had a weapon in my tank bag I would either have to take it off which isn't hard but it's not fun. Or wait outside.

I know years ago I worked with a guy that had a fanny pack that was a holster for his 1911. I believe it had a Velcro type setup that you pulled on to drop the storage compartment and expose the holster part for a quick draw.

I definitely appreciate the good advice.
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My issue with a tank bag (or under the seat) was when you actually decide to carry the gun you have to try some ninja move to get the gun on your person without everyone seeing it and panicking.

Honestly I never found "the way". I just know the shoulder holster worked well when I wore a coat... until I crashed. Lol. Most of my bikes were sport bikes so the leaned over riding position made things even worse. Your already hunching the tank so appendix carry is out. Feet halfway behind you and coming off the pegs at every stop so ankle carry was no good. Etc etc

Plenty often I just wore shorts and no shirt and threw my Beretta 21 in my pocket when it was warm.
 
My issue with a tank bag (or under the seat) was when you actually decide to carry the gun you have to try some ninja move to get the gun on your person without everyone seeing it and panicking.
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That was my thought exactly. I've had it drilled into my head by all of ccw classes it's just best to carry on your person. Up in the far northern part of California where I live it's pretty conservative and gun friendly for the most part. It's not open carry territory but if someone happened to see your concealed weapon the majority of the people would probably look away or give you a friendly heads up it is showing. I've actually had to give a few people a little gesture they have a pant leg up showing their ankle holster or someone had a shirt caught up on a grip leaving them out in the open.

Being bigger than the average guy has helped me to conceal full size pistols more comfortably. I ordered a 5x Hawaiian shirt hoping it's large enough to conceal my shoulder holster. I also was doing some random internet searching and found some pretty interesting waist/fanny packs That can conceal a full size 1911 or Glock.
 
fxvr5 said:
A reason why the revolver might be better:

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2021/5/25/is-the-revolver-the-ultimate-survival-gun
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I've had plenty of broken semi auto and revolvers come to me for repair. My 12 year old could have fixed any of the semi auto pretty easy and generally they still will shoot single shot when broke. They are more likely to jam but they also take 1 second to tap and rack where a jammed revolver generally is out for good. Even a jumped crimp can leave the gun useless. Most of the revolvers that come to me are locked up and useless until parts are made/ordered and tools are used. I dont feel either one is better though. Semi are generally flatter and less likely to print. Ive carried and hunted with both.


Where I live open carry is legal and not at all rare so if I printed or my shirt flew up or jacket open its no big deal. I just prefer to keep it hidden.
 
I carry an old S&W model 19 in a home made over the shoulder "baldrick" rig while riding my ATV. I don't trust any belt holster for that. Why? Because I can't see it or feel it, and the gun could fall out while I'm riding and disappear behind me. The shoulder rig keeps it under my arm where's it's nice and safe. Mine keeps the muzzle pointed down, so it can't fall out of the holster. I like the .357 revolver because I can shoot it more accurately than any other handgun that I own, and with it's extra power I get extra range. It's also easy to put different kinds of ammo in it, like a snake shot round. That's hard to do with any kind of semi auto.
 
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I don't think that article is about broken parts.
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Is about which gun is best for survival. "Is the revolver the ultimate survival gun" A broken part makes a locked up gun not great for survival. Ive never accidentally dropped a mag. Which is what the article is about.

I don't use any extended mag catches on hunting or carry guns either

It actually lists how operator error can result in the mag being lost. Then talks about his revolver having screws back out and being broke and needing tools.... in an article about how the revolver may be better.

I once had a guy in a truck with snow chains try to follow me up my driveway. He got stuck and had to walk up to where my jeep was parked and proceeded to try to sell me chains.....pretty hard sell. Lol. That's what that article reminded me of.

It does mention a lanyard on a semi auto being used to keep the mag (with an eyelet on the baseplate) from being lost. Ive never heard of a lanyard used for that. Usually the gun was attached to you or your horse. But idk.

More often than not on my property I have my 329pd on me. So I'm not against revolvers at all. But for middle of nowhere dusty atv/adventure bike riding muddy work ill take a Glock every time.
 
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Real world, with those loads, against human threats it is a toss-up. I'd choose the 1911 because it is easier to carry, faster to reload, carries 1-2 more rounds and I shoot a semi more accurately than a DA revolver.

But with the possibility of 180-200 gr hardcast loads the 357 has the potential to be the more effective round against large 4 legged predators.
 
More often than not on my property I have my 329pd on me. So I'm not against revolvers at all. But for middle of nowhere dusty atv/adventure bike riding muddy work ill take a Glock every time.
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The only Glock I own is a gen 3 17. California only allows me to carry a 10 round magazine + 1 for 11. I don't have it on my ccw permit yet. I'm not a big Glock fan but I could see a 10mm in my future for this type of use. I guess having 11 rounds of 9mm is a whole lot better than nothing but I would rather have something a little more stout.

But with the possibility of 180-200 gr hardcast loads the 357 has the potential to be the more effective round against large 4 legged predators.
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You got me thinking now I need to find some heavy hard cast bullets. As mentioned earlier my biggest threat would probably come from a two legged meth lab scientist or maybe a some off grid pot farmers. My goal is to steer clear of any trouble.
 
I am not an expert and this is just my opinion. If compactness is my concern, I'd carry the .45. But, I don't think it'll have much effect on a mountain lion. I person told me years ago he shot at a mountain lion from his sliding glass kitchen door at a mountain lion in his yard. The mountain lion wasn't phased. .357 loads can be loaded up to even 180gr (and maybe more) bullets. Plus, they are used by hunters. If I was shooting at a wild animal, I think the .357 is better.
 
Waterboy3313 said:
The only Glock I own is a gen 3 17. California only allows me to carry a 10 round magazine + 1 for 11. I don't have it on my ccw permit yet. I'm not a big Glock fan but I could see a 10mm in my future for this type of use. I guess having 11 rounds of 9mm is a whole lot better than nothing but I would rather have something a little more stout.



You got me thinking now I need to find some heavy hard cast bullets. As mentioned earlier my biggest threat would probably come from a two legged meth lab scientist or maybe a some off grid pot farmers. My goal is to steer clear of any trouble.
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Like most places i believe, we just get the carry permit and we can carry whatever gun we choose. Open carry is legal anyway. I never cared for Glock either. Bought my first one because it was 10mm and i wanted to deer hunt with it and I wanted a gun that was cheap and I didn't care to have it in everything from submerged in saltwater marshes and the Atlantic to caving in the Appalachian mountains. Bought my second one because it was the sub compact version (model 29) of the first. Then decided I liked the simple little Glocks but didn't care for the 29 so I bought a 27 (subcompact 40). I have 8 or 10 Glock now. Still have my usp/226/ Beretta 96/92 etc etc guns as well but if I only got to keep one (and market value wasn't a concern) I'd keep a Glock. Quite possibly a 26 or 27.

That first Glock has been in salt water, mud, deer blood, sand dunes, caves, rock crawling, rock climbing...put down cattle and horses that were wounded or lame, killed pretty large whitetail deer and had tens of thousands of rounds of 10mm through it. Only thing its had was a mag catch replaced. Lol.

I carry the 329pd 44 mag open on my land because it is lighter loaded than an empty Glock and is plenty stout for any animal around (I suppose 10mm is as well) Ive broken two of them though. The scandium guns just aren't very robust. Lol. Not a high round count gun for sure. Ugly as they come too.
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For carry though, in the elements where people or coyote/dog sized animals are by far the bigger threat, I feel my 10mm and 44 (and 480 and 460 and 500) are bad choices for sd. Follow ups are slower. Ammo is higher, guns (generally) weigh more etc etc. 9mm or 40 is what Id go with in a tough and smallish package. Sig 320/Glock/M&P...whatever flavor you like.

Edit to add.....actually If I were limited to 10 rounds I may well carry that 10mm Glock 29 that I said I wasn't fond of. Lol. Just so happens to be 10 round capacity iirc and as small as a 10 round 10mm gun could be and is pretty much designed to be a semi auto 357 mag.

During groundhog season I sometimes carry my five seven. But if limited to ten rounds I'd likely carry a 617 or gp100 instead of that too.
 
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Being in CA kind of limits what one can buy from the big box stores. I was searching for 10mm and nothing is in stock. The roster really cuts down on what can be purchased. I decided to search for a 44 mag in something under a 6 in barrel and nothing as well. I might have to hit the other local shops when I get over covid.

I could see myself with a nice 1911 in 10mm or a 4-6 inch barrel 44 mag for an "adventure" pistol. I guess that gives me a good reason to start looking for a new gun.
 
Waterboy3313 said:
Being in CA kind of limits what one can buy from the big box stores. I was searching for 10mm and nothing is in stock. The roster really cuts down on what can be purchased. I decided to search for a 44 mag in something under a 6 in barrel and nothing as well. I might have to hit the other local shops when I get over covid.

I could see myself with a nice 1911 in 10mm or a 4-6 inch barrel 44 mag for an "adventure" pistol. I guess that gives me a good reason to start looking for a new gun.
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Gen 3 glock 20 or 29 those should be everywhere. Been made for 30 years Witness p 10mm. Colt delta elite or kimber 1911s?. Those are old guns. Are those not on the list?

I like a 4 inch 44. No doubt about that either.
 
I used to carry a full size pistol while road biking. I really liked a tank bag for ease of access and protection in case of a fall. Made it easy to visit places with food and fellow travelors on the road.
 
Gen 3 glock 20 or 29 those should be everywhere. Been made for 30 years Witness p 10mm. Colt delta elite or kimber 1911s?. Those are old guns. Are those not on the list?

I like a 4 inch 44. No doubt about that either.
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I haven't really looked at the roster in a while. I think the gen 3 Glocks should be. After the last two or three guns I bought I told myself I was done for a while. Now I think I have enough reason to buy something new or at least I am trying to convince myself. The whole reason for the motorcycle was to give myself a different hobby. I see it kind of goes together in this situation though.
 
If you’re gonna look, look at a 4” 627, and a chest rig. 8 rounds of your favorite .357, about 42oz empty.
 
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