Help!! Does anyone out there have a roll crimp die for a 9mm??
Only if loaded for a semi-auto. But early in my reloading, before I had enough money I used a roll crimp die to deflare some semi-auto handloads. Its just how you adjust the die...9MM head spaces on the case mouth so roll crimping it would be a bad idea.
Only if loaded for a semi-auto.
9mm Federal (rimless
It's in mine ... 9mm Federal is a rimmed cartridge ...in fact it's a 9mm Luger with a rim for use in a revolver so it doesn't need moon clips and can still work with a revolvers extractor .That's the risk of reading forum posts and assuming your get/have all the info. I learned long ago to not make any blanket "factual", absolute statements (none, never, always types).
I've been looking for components (brass) and dies for the 9mm Federal (rimless), a short lived revolver cartridge that IIRC was used by Canadian police forces briefly. But I understand, currently it would be very difficult to find a roll crimp die for 9mm Luger today. I only have access to google for searching for odd/obsolete calibers and the 9mm Federal isn't even listed (nor in my copy of Cartridges of The World, or Handloder's Manual of Cartridge Conversions) but none of the modern reloading die manufacturers make a 9mm Federal or Japanese 9mm Revolver die set.
I made some rimmed 9mm out of cut down 38 spl brass. I only tried them in my conversion cylinder Blackhawk but they fit and fired fine. I used lee 9mm dies and lee factory crimp die for 9mm.That's the risk of reading forum posts and assuming your get/have all the info. I learned long ago to not make any blanket "factual", absolute statements (none, never, always types).
I've been looking for components (brass) and dies for the 9mm Federal (rimless), a short lived revolver cartridge that IIRC was used by Canadian police forces briefly. But I understand, currently it would be very difficult to find a roll crimp die for 9mm Luger today. I only have access to google for searching for odd/obsolete calibers and the 9mm Federal isn't even listed (nor in my copy of Cartridges of The World, or Handloder's Manual of Cartridge Conversions) but none of the modern reloading die manufacturers make a 9mm Federal or Japanese 9mm Revolver die set.
My research found a 38 S&W case cut down to 9mm Fed length works well. But most of the vendors that sold 38 S&W brass have none in stock, I have .25 tons of 38 Special brass so I'll look into that. Thanks.I made some rimmed 9mm out of cut down 38 spl brass. I only tried them in my conversion cylinder Blackhawk but they fit and fired fine. I used lee 9mm dies and lee factory crimp die for 9mm.
Lee Seating/Crimping die (also in 3 and 4 die sets) = Roll
Lee Factory Crimp Die (also included in 4 die sets) = Taper
RCBS Standard Seating/crimping in 3 die sets (pre-2016) = Roll
RCBS Standard Seating/crimping in 3 die sets (post-2016) = Taper
RCBS Taper Crimp in Taper Crimp 3 die sets = Taper
Hornady Custom Grade 3 die set = Roll
Hornady Custom Grade Taper Crimp = Taper
Hornady American Set = Taper
Lyman M seater dies = Roll
Lyman crimp only M die = Taper
All Dillon Auto Pistol Dies = Taper
currently it would be very difficult to find a roll crimp die for 9mm Luger today.
are there roll crimp dies for 9mm? No. It's designed to use a taper crimp.
In its inception, the 9mm was “designed” with a roll crimp.
I'd like to know how you get a roll crimp out of a neck sizing die.You like Lyman, buy a Lyman M Die for 9mm and you’ll have a roll crimp die.
I'd like to see that documentation also. 9mm what, Luger or something else. IA great number of 9mm Luger dies are already roll crimp
I'd like to know how you get a roll crimp out of a neck sizing die.
I'd like to see that documentation also. 9mm what, Luger or something else. I
I copied the wrong quote, this is what I wanted documentation on. It's what I agreed with Bearded Phil about.In its inception, the 9mm was “designed” with a roll crimp.
Every Speer manual I have says taper crimp for 9x19 (#10,#11,#12,#13). Im pretty sure they used RCBS dies. Looks like you are wrong again.There was a set sold with the M dies, the “M Series Seater” was a roll crimp die.
Call the companies. I had issues with “standard dies” producing roll crimps about 10yrs ago, so I called around. Had this same bullsh!t resistance from folks 6yrs ago when I documented those findings on another site - just because you’ve never heard of it, does not change history.
Lee’s documentation is copied above, as an example. You are free to call any of these manufacturers directly to inquire, since accepting information online seems to be difficult for you.
Im pretty sure they used RCBS dies.
whatever he is trying to achieve
Can you cite the source for your claim? A sales rep will say anything you want to hear on the phone. Calling them is not really a credible source. "The 9mm Luger headspaces on case mouth so roll crimping is not recommended" Speer#12 page 498.(circa 1994)You are more than welcome to call RCBS directly and inquire about their standard sets prior to 2016, compared to current production - which is what I stated above.
How we’ve decided as a culture to load the 9mm as standard (and best practice) has little to do with how companies design their dies.