Rem Arms, 700 Alpha 1

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Sort of surprise no one else had posted about this. It's been a few day since it was announced.

Rem Arms is releasing an "updated" version of the Remington 700 called the 700 Alpha 1. As most of you know I am not much of a fan of Rem Arms LLC so no linking to Rem Arms. Not that there is much there to link to, there is just one video and nothing on their website yet.

Here are two reviews I found:

https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/12-upgrades-in-new-remington-700nbsp-alpha-1-rifle
https://internationalsportsman.com/remington-alpha-1-new-model-700-from-remington/

I was almost impressed then really looked at it and realized they are manufacturing very little of this new rifle and likely did even less engineering. The stock, bottom metal and trigger all come from third parties. Even the Alpha 1 receiver and bolt appear to be a nearly exact copy of a Nesika action. The funny part is the Nesika action is a copy of a 700 action with a few upgrades. Nesika was also a former Remington Outdoor Company brand that died sometime between the first and second bankruptcy. Rem Arms probably already had the technical data package for the Nesika action after the bankruptcy. I guess it's better than nothing (if someone was not paying attention they might even think they are innovating) but its not really a new gun, just some existing parts assembled by Rem Arms instead of someone else.
 
From reading both articles it has been very much re engineered and upgraded from the 700. Everything seems to be upgraded. Lock, stock and barrel. I am very interested in how the new rifles shoot.
I wonder if the old 700's will still be produced as an economy rifle.
Thanks for posting.
 
What keeps ringing in my mind:

Why do they keep banging the “hunting rifles for hunters” gong?

Were I an investor or business developer, I would point to ALL of their competition and the direction the market is pointing and ask, “why do we keep saying we’re only making hunting rifles? Do we really want a reputation of only making hunting rifles?” Maybe Winchester has a limited selection of non-hunting models - and Win isn’t even making their own rifles anyway - but everyone else in the market is focusing on tactical and long range precision models.

Or are they just pandering to keep their name off of anti-gun lips?

Why would they focus so much on marketing themselves as hunting rifles only?
 
Varminterror said:
What keeps ringing in my mind:

Why do they keep banging the “hunting rifles for hunters” gong?

Were I an investor or business developer, I would point to ALL of their competition and the direction the market is pointing and ask, “why do we keep saying we’re only making hunting rifles? Do we really want a reputation of only making hunting rifles?” Maybe Winchester has a limited selection of non-hunting models - and Win isn’t even making their own rifles anyway - but everyone else in the market is focusing on tactical and long range precision models.

Or are they just pandering to keep their name off of anti-gun lips?

Why would they focus so much on marketing themselves as hunting rifles only?
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The CEO of Rem Arms LLC, Ken D'Arcy (D'Arcy was also the last CEO of The Remington Outdoor Company) is one of the biggest Fudds (with emphasis on any and all negative connotation of that word) you could meet. He is almost certainly the whole reason Rem Arms LLC is focused exclusively on hunting firearms, with very few exceptions.
 
Mk-211 said:
Wonder what they're going to say this is for?

Rem. 700 PSS

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For sale to only properly licensed individual and organization!


The 700s my favorite action design...with tweeks that is....and if im being honest the only thing I like considerably more about the remington rifles than other guns are the way they look.

Ill stick to buying Christensen's and Bergaras for that........
 
mcb said:
The CEO of Rem Arms LLC, Ken D'Arcy (D'Arcy was also the last CEO of The Remington Outdoor Company) is one of the biggest Fudds (with emphasis on any and all negative connotation of that word) you could meet. He is almost certainly the whole reason Rem Arms LLC is focused exclusively on hunting firearms, with very few exceptions.
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This is my point - it HAS to be a ploy, right? Even if he held such a bigoted personal opinion, he didn’t front all of the money himself, and somehow convinced a board to place him as CEO, then retain him through the bankruptcy.

So are we to believe that this level of foolish ignorance to market trends is legitimate, or rather is it a ploy to pander to political pressure formerly associated with the brand name - they can turn down the heat on themselves while monetizing the legacy of the Remington name with buyers who simply can’t read between the lines.
 
Varminterror said:
This is my point - it HAS to be a ploy, right? Even if he held such a bigoted personal opinion, he didn’t front all of the money himself, and somehow convinced a board to place him as CEO, then retain him through the bankruptcy.

So are we to believe that this level of foolish ignorance to market trends is legitimate, or rather is it a ploy to pander to political pressure formerly associated with the brand name - they can turn down the heat on themselves while monetizing the legacy of the Remington name with buyers who simply can’t read between the lines.
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I think it's honest fuddery (is that a word?). As far as I know there is no board at Rem Arms LLC they are a private entity. The Roundhill Group that put up the money to buy the Remington's Illion NY facility (and Storm Lake in TN) out of the bankruptcy is a partnership of people, one of which is Richmond Italia. Richmond Italia used to own a company called GI Sports a Canadian paintball company. The former CEO of GI sports... none other than Ken D'Arcy. Remember D'Arcy was CEO of the dissolving Remington Outdoor Company and had at least some influence/insight on what was and was not acceptable as bids to the auction (with bankruptcy court having final say). So Roundhill managed to get both facilities for only $13 mil compared to what Ruger and Speer paid ~$30 mil for Marlin and Barnes respectively, it was, in some sense, a flaming deal. Not sure how they managed it but they did. And the fuddery started before the second bankruptcy, remember D'Arcy shut down Bushmaster and DPMS in the run up to the 2020 election, and I heard rumors he was trying to shut AAC down, and curtail military and police sales too. That is pretty fudd.

And if you don't mind cinching your tin-foil hat down a little tighter I will remind the thread that D'Arcy was given the CEO position after JP Morgan Chase and Franklin Tempelton banks became the primary owners of The Remington Outdoor Company as a result of the first Bankruptcy. I have no proof but maybe the banks and not the board appointed D'Arcy and those two banks are not what most would consider allies to the 2A movement.
 
Would of made a bigger splash.. up sizing the 783 series.. 300prc, 300 nm, 338lm, 375ct... with enough magazine space to load the long's



Or you could stretch the AR-10 into along action.,, Think 280ai with 195 bullet, or 338 lm AR-10


That's how you make a splash
 
mcb said:
I think it's honest fuddery (is that a word?). As far as I know there is no board at Rem Arms LLC they are a private entity. The Roundhill Group that put up the money to buy the Remington's Illion NY facility (and Storm Lake in TN) out of the bankruptcy is a partnership of people, one of which is Richmond Italia. Richmond Italia used to own a company called GI Sports a Canadian paintball company. The former CEO of GI sports... none other than Ken D'Arcy. Remember D'Arcy was CEO of the dissolving Remington Outdoor Company and had at least some influence/insight on what was and was not acceptable as bids to the auction (with bankruptcy court having final say). So Roundhill managed to get both facilities for only $13 mil compared to what Ruger and Speer paid ~$30 mil for Marlin and Barnes respectively, it was, in some sense, a flaming deal. Not sure how they managed it but they did. And the fuddery started before the second bankruptcy, remember D'Arcy shut down Bushmaster and DPMS in the run up to the 2020 election, and I heard rumors he was trying to shut AAC down, and curtail military and police sales too. That is pretty fudd.

And if you don't mind cinching your tin-foil hat down a little tighter I will remind the thread that D'Arcy was given the CEO position after JP Morgan Chase and Franklin Tempelton banks became the primary owners of The Remington Outdoor Company as a result of the first Bankruptcy. I have no proof but maybe the banks and not the board appointed D'Arcy and those two banks are not what most would consider allies to the 2A movement.
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I`ve been pulling for them to make it, even if it`s not the " old " Remington. Just doesn`t seem right to not have a Remington in the American firearms scene. I grew up either carrying a Remington in the field or was with someone who was. Not too optimistic considering the management. Poor management, and management that didn`t give a damn about the company, is what led to Remington`s downfall in the first place. Have to say, though, that I`ve seen some positive reviews of the 870 Fieldmaster. It apparently is definitely a step up from the 870 Express, but certainly not a Wingmaster.
 
I think the rifle in the video is different enough from the traditional 700 action to rate a different model name/number. It's not a 700. It's something new.

I gave up on Remington other than the 870 years ago. But if I were in the market for a new rifle, I'd give this one a look. They have addressed some design deficiencies and upgraded others. I'd like to see the final design and price point. It may be too late; other manufacturers are already making 700 clones with similar improvements.
 
LoonWulf said:
Ya know, If this thing releases it anything less than $1,500 I may try one......

For old time's sake, if nothing else.
My first powder burner was a nylon 66 and my first centerfire rifle was a Remington 700 BDL

Specs wise the a1 actually looks like a pretty decent rifle...
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I agree if you just look at the specs in a vacuum it looks pretty good. But... giving D'Arcy any of my money would be a hard pill to swallow... But that is a personal problem, and I would not begrudge anyone that wants to give it a go.
 
If the new rifle is truly a quality product, I hope enough people will give it a go. IF it`s good and Remarms ( Remington ) puts out some good products in the shotgun line, they`ll have a chance. Another thing they need to do is commit to the finest customer service AFTER the sale. At one time they had a customer service department that rivaled, and in many cases exceeded , any in the industry. They need to emulate CG/Fabarm as a model.
 
Turkeytider said:
If the new rifle is truly a quality product, I hope enough people will give it a go. IF it`s good and Remarms ( Remington ) puts out some good products in the shotgun line, they`ll have a chance. Another thing they need to do is commit to the finest customer service AFTER the sale. At one time they had a customer service department that rivaled, and in many cases exceeded , any in the industry. They need to emulate CG/Fabarm as a model.
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Have you read Rem Arms LLC warranty? It does not mean their customery service is bad but it does not inspire confidence either.

https://www.remarms.com/support/firearm-warranty-information/
RemArms LLC has elected not to provide any written-warranty, either "limited" or "full", rather than to attempt to comply with the provisions of the Magnuson-Moss Act and the regulations issued thereunder. There are certain implied warranties under state law with respect to sales of consumer goods. Firearms returned to RemArms for service will be evaluated to determine if services will be provided at a fee or free of charge.
 
mcb said:
Have you read Rem Arms LLC warranty? It does not mean their customery service is bad but it does not inspire confidence either.

https://www.remarms.com/support/firearm-warranty-information/
RemArms LLC has elected not to provide any written-warranty, either "limited" or "full", rather than to attempt to comply with the provisions of the Magnuson-Moss Act and the regulations issued thereunder. There are certain implied warranties under state law with respect to sales of consumer goods. Firearms returned to RemArms for service will be evaluated to determine if services will be provided at a fee or free of charge.
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Isn't that basically what Ruger says?

I read Ruger has good customer service, but a different company could go either way.
 
Speedo66 said:
Isn't that basically what Ruger says?

I read Ruger has good customer service, but a different company could go either way.
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Yes but Ruger has a well establish record of customer service the new Rem Arms not so much. It might turn out they are great at it but that warranty statement does not instill confidence from a fledgling company.
 
LoonWulf said:
Ya know, If this thing releases it anything less than $1,500 I may try one......

For old time's sake, if nothing else.
My first powder burner was a nylon 66 and my first centerfire rifle was a Remington 700 BDL

Specs wise the a1 actually looks like a pretty decent rifle...
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I agree, it may be worth a shot.

BTW, my first gun I bought myself was a Nylon 66 and my 1st centerfire was a 700 ADL in .222Rem. That 700 enabled me to win our woodchuck hunting totals for the next 2 summers (the other guys only had .22LRs) until I was outgunned by a .243Win when it then turned into a blatant equipment race....
 
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