Rem Arms, 700 Alpha 1

herrwalther said:

Nah. I would rather have an older Remington 700 SPS or something similar. I don't like the current management at Rem Arms enough to look into their offerings just yet.

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I suppose a dilemma that they face is the damage done to the name and reputation of the company. If too many potential buyers wait too long, they won`t sell enough product to develop good (hopefully) word of mouth. I can certainly understand the hesitancy, however. I know they don`t lose a minutes sleep, but there are some people who should for ruining a truly iconic American company.

This is obviously just my opinion.......

We all know the management sucks, in at least one way or another, and that affects downstream operations....
Still, there's a lot of good people towing the line, many of whom who have BEEN towing the line......i can support that.

Speaking of paintball....i played hard from 2000-2009, i watched the major companies effectively destroy the sport in that time......

I believe Ron Spomer is wrong. He says the bolt head and body are made from one piece of steel with the handle brazed on. 700 bolts are actually 3 pieces of steel with the head and handle brazed to the body. A close look at the Alpha bolt suggests to me that there is no change from that. The head still looks brazed on. Not that that has ever been an issue. It's just the way its been.

Not sure I like the extractor in the bolt lug on a 2 lug bolt, at least when it's done on 3 lug bolts you have the extra lug. No locking bolt really sucks to.

This is encouraging, signs of life. They might just not roll over and die. At least they are trying. They have listened to all of the Remington 700 trashing and tried to make amends, from the Timmey trigger to the 1-piece bolt assembly.

mcb said:

Are they trying? They create almost nothing new here. The stock, bottom metal, and fire control are existing third party parts. The new 700 Alpha 1 action appears to be a fairly blatant copy of a Nesika Action. The barrel is just a 5R barrel that the former Remington had been making and using on the various models of the 700 for several years now. There is nothing here that you could not have bought before Rem Arm LLC came into existence and had a competent gun smith assemble for you.

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Okay.......just curious, does this all necessarily mean that it won`t be a good shooting rifle of good quality? To the end user that will be what matters, I think.

mcb said:

Are they trying? They create almost nothing new here. The stock, bottom metal, and fire control are existing third party parts. The new 700 Alpha 1 action appears to be a fairly blatant copy of a Nesika Action. The barrel is just a 5R barrel that the former Remington had been making and using on the various models of the 700 for several years now. There is nothing here that you could not have bought before Rem Arm LLC came into existence and had a competent gun smith assemble for you.

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They didnt really, but look how poorly every other NEW Remington thing since the 700 turned out LOL...heck I know you got one of those 30RARs

Turkeytider said:

Okay.......just curious, does this all necessarily mean that it won`t be a good shooting rifle of good quality? To the end user that will be what matters, I think.

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IMO UNDER 1500, with good fit and function, and its a decent competitor in the semi-custom hunting space. While im not surprised, Its disappointing and IMO poor marketing (as other have already said) that they didnt offer it in a "long range" and "precision" line FIRST, then add a hunting variant.

mcb said:

Are they trying? They create almost nothing new here. The stock, bottom metal, and fire control are existing third party parts. The new 700 Alpha 1 action appears to be a fairly blatant copy of a Nesika Action. The barrel is just a 5R barrel that the former Remington had been making and using on the various models of the 700 for several years now. There is nothing here that you could not have bought before Rem Arm LLC came into existence and had a competent gun smith assemble for you.

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Well, looks like my opinion of Remington/RemArms went from 3/10 back to 2/10.

It's more of a morbid fascination at this point. To illustrate: whenever I step inside a Walmart, I can't help but have these [fictitious] visions of some $59 Model 710 sitting on the shelf. I'll take out the plastic receiver and do a FFL transfer with it just to see the look on someone's face. I'll then fashion some wooden receiver and see if the claims are accurate that the receiver has "nothing" to do with safety.

Oh wait - this whole vision is not possible. NOT because Remington won't stoop to selling $59 guns. But because the 710 barrel is PRESSED into the plastic and cannot be removed, so that once its shot out its done for.

Handling a 1948 Remington Model 721 next to a 1948 post-war pre-64 Winchester encapsulates the evolution of the US consumer mindset from quality to quantity. Nothing wrong with increasing profits in an ethical manner. Post-war Remington and Post-64 Winchester are just canaries in the coal mine. Except Remington was always a step ahead of the game when it came to decreasing quality. Not unethical (Cerebus Capital and other financiers notwithstanding), just sad.

--rant over--

I've always liked Remington 700 actions and have several that always went BANG! when I wanted them to. They are also easy to glassbed well and accuracy is fantastic. I've won lots of turkey shoots with my 700s and they never failed me, whether shooting factory or my handloads. My Savage bolt action was okay, but had a maximum-sized chamber, so it was not sharing handloads with my "Win 70 buddies rifles" well.

Don’t really see enough to upgrade over the 700-5R-G2 that sits in my safe now..

Southmountain said:

This is encouraging, signs of life. They might just not roll over and die. At least they are trying.

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“Trying” to do what, exactly?

This isn’t a rebound of Remington coming back from deaths’ door, after hanging on by a thread. Remington died. Effectively, we have a comparative case of stolen identity where Rem Arms bought the birth certificate and driver’s license of Remington and moved into their old house, pretending Remington didn’t die.

Maybe they’ll end up being contributing members of society and lead a long and productive live into the future, but at its core, they’re masquerading around as if they ARE the identity of the dead man. They could have started a firearms business, getting citizenship via Green Card or Work Visa, and eventually Naturalizing, but they didn’t. They’re “trying” to capitalize upon a brand name as if they were that brand.

I’ve said it before, if anyone is looking at a Rem 700 today as having any greater reputation or legacy than a Winchester XPR or Bergara, or Tikka, they have their head on sideways. This is a new company releasing new products, no quality of production history, no product innovation history, no customer service history… well, at least not beyond their own NEGATIVE legacy of failure they have left behind them in their past businesses, including the former Remington Firearms company.

I have a few RR serial number M700's in the safe that will outshoot my Christensen Mesa so bad it's not funny.I'm always on the lookout for certain M700's,mostly the older stuff with the bolt lock safety.They were/are great guns for the money when they were building them right.One of the new Alpha rifles may be a great investment because it's probably not going to sell many of them before the whole company goes down again.

Mk-211 said:

Wonder what they're going to say this is for?

Rem. 700 PSS

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Looks pretty good. I hope it's not PSS-Poor.

Chuck R. said:

I agree, it may be worth a shot.

BTW, my first gun I bought myself was a Nylon 66 and my 1st centerfire was a 700 ADL in .222Rem. That 700 enabled me to win our woodchuck hunting totals for the next 2 summers (the other guys only had .22LRs) until I was outgunned by a .243Win when it then turned into a blatant equipment race....

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I had a Rem 700 ADL, .22-250 that won about every turkey shoot it ever entered, including a BET that I could show my wife how to shoot it and let her shoot next week. Everyone said it couldn't be done!! Well, I took her out, taught her how to shoot it lying somewhat prone with rest (7 months pregnant). She fired one shot at the 100 yard target and it was the only PINWHEEL of the day!!! It was the only shot she ever fired at a turkey shoot and I made my point.

My view differs from the popular view here. It is not surprising that some of the guys that love to talk trash about Remington are being negative about something that they have never seen. The same goes for people with no actual experience with law and/or with running large a manufacturing company are sharing their opinions on the new company's business plan.

As soon as this product is available I intend to buy one to form my own opinions. Until then everything is just uninformed speculation.

Seamaster31 said:

about something that they have never seen

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Yea this is why we need pics. Its a rifle sub-forum after all.

Seamaster31 said:

Until then everything is just uninformed speculation.

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We have reason to be disappointed in Rem Arms current ownership. The product itself although not particularly innovative, its still a nice rifle with features that a few years ago would've been custom only.
For me the selling point will have to be if they have a nice enough wood stock that comes with it.

What's the old saying, actions speak louder than words. Well Remington/rem arms actions are one needs to look at it buying a gun from them.

If they can open up the magazines to handle short action rounds like the 308 out to 3 inches,they'll be making progress.That's always been one problem with the 700.They make a too short magazine to go with a too long throat and the results are dismal.Cut the chamber to handle a 2.9 inch COAL and make the magazine long enough to chamber a 3.00 COAL and they're well on the way to having a little common sense.

I don't understand it. Guns are tools and every Remington rifle I have owned has been very accurate and never failed to function. Bolt action that is. I did own a 742 that was junk decades ago.

Remington actions have been used to make centerfire or rimfire target/benchrest rifles for many years and they are still competitive, but other dedicated benchrest actions are more available these days.

Picher said:

Remington actions have been used to make centerfire or rimfire target/benchrest rifles for many years and they are still competitive, but other dedicated benchrest actions are more available these days.

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Yep br actions have progressed these days but several years ago Model 700 actions were the mainstay for BR shooters. These days Christensen actions are based on the 700 action and quite accurate out of the box even with factory ammo.

But wait, if you don't like a Remington, there's Bergara for you.