New credit card code for gun shops

Nothing good can come from this and I will choose vendors that don't use it whenever possible. Yes, it's part of a bigger plan at data mining. At the same time I realize how incompetent our government is and know in the back of my mind that they will never be able to utilize it.

Part of the e-commerce and eliminating currency.

The code will be tracked (remember those 87k IRS agents?) and you will be TAXED yearly for firearm ownership. Then, then code will send alerts for DENIALS because you have ENOUGH. A Dr issues a report of obesity, diabetes, heart problems, etc. Certain grocery purchases will be denied.
(New York outlawed over 20 oz sodas)

Big Brother IS watching and you WILL obey.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/visa-mastercard-amex-categorize-gun-store-sales-separately

Rule3 said:

Take a big place like Midway USA or Bass Pro that sells all kinds of things including guns

How do they differentiate what was purchased?

Large sale of guns or camping equipment, boats motors Optics etc etc???

Feel good legislation!

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It's very simple, every bar code will have the product code embedded, no new technology needed for this, just some key punches.

Where do these "codes" go? I already have the names of gun shops and ammo suppliers listed on my statement, so this code must be something different, or is has my bank long ago implemented coding firearm and ammo purchases.

I don't know where you guys have been, but this has been being pushed for some time. All that remains is access to the credit card system being given to the A.I. and poof...every purchase you try to make is allowed or blocked as they see fit.

Who reviews the data?

So far I've read 3 different articles and have only seen "gun shops" referenced, but what they intend to define as a gun shop is suspiciously absent. While I agree that the intent of this new coding is nefarious, my personal hope is that a gun shop will be defined as any company holding an FFL. Let the proponents of this crap earn some scrutiny when they buy that new lawn tractor at the local farm & home store that just happens to sell a few shotguns and bolt rifles.

Also we have Walmart,academy,Sheels, ect ect that sell more than guns.

The computer does all the coding.

Whether it is Academy, Atwood, Wally or Lowes and even smaller shops; when the bar code is scanned the register records the sale to the appropriate dept.

A bit of programming and differentiating between a rifle and fishing rod would occur.

Had your card been flagged as having too many guns or a suspected person and a decline is sent.

Our shop, similar to Cracker Barrel, the register differentiated between food, gifts and consignment items; separated the sales tax and gave daily totals for each.

It really isn't difficult.

hso said:

Since the code has nothing specific about what you bought, whether a rotomolded boat or a plastic pistol, how's that happening with a code for the type of retialer?

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Ha!


Look at a Goodyear tire. There is a bar code embedded in the tire. Goodyear can enter that bar code, tell you what plant it was build in, at what time, on which machine and by what builder.

It isn't difficult and a power hungry tyrant would have no problem at all.

Some ways around it. Would be using gift cards to order online. And use cash to buy the gift cards. Buying in person use cash. Kinda sucks though for us who use rewards cards.

CoalCrackerAl said:

Also we have Walmart,academy,Sheels, ect ect that sell more than guns.

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Look at Wally receipt, EVERY item listed.
Toilet paper, aspirin, spray paint, car battery and BUCK knife.

THIS is what I care about….

From the linked article “Today’s announcement is a critical first step towards giving banks and credit card companies the tools they need to recognize dangerous firearm purchasing trends – like a domestic extremist building up an arsenal – and report them to law enforcement,”

Who decides what is a ‘personal’ arsenal?

What will be the definition of an arsenal in numerical terms? 2 guns…5…10+?

What is considered too many guns in a particular timeframe?

What is the algorithm that will be used to trigger contact of authorities?

I’ve seen news articles where arsenal was used for around 3-5 guns and maybe 1,500 bullets…

The most guns I’ve ever purchased in one day is three I believe. I probably stopped there because if I remember right there was nothing else in the store I was interested in.

I’m heading to a large local antique gun show this month and can see myself beating that record if the right firearms are there. It’s very Unlikely but possible.

The upside to all of this is I know if I’m going to a gun show or store I will need to carry cash from now on. That will keep me from going overboard on additional impulse buys.

Frulk said:

THIS is what I care about….

From the linked article “Today’s announcement is a critical first step towards giving banks and credit card companies the tools they need to recognize dangerous firearm purchasing trends – like a domestic extremist building up an arsenal – and report them to law enforcement,”

Who decides what is an arsenal? 2 guns…5…10+?

What is the algorithm that will be used to trigger contact of authorities?

I’ve seen news articles where arsenal was used for around 3-5 guns and maybe 1,500 bullets…

The most guns I’ve ever purchased in one day is three I believe. I probably stopped there because if I remember right there was nothing else in the store I was interested in.

I’m heading to a large local antique gun show this month and can see myself beating that record if the right firearms are there. It’s very Unlikely but possible.

The upside to all of this is I know if I’m going to a gun show or store I will need to carry cash from now on. That will keep me from going overboard on additional impulse buys.

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I’ve yet to figure out *who* is making the decisions.. if the CC companies are simply adding a code and therefore creating a new list of purchases, do THEY analyze and report? Or do they turn it over to the Feds? I think the latter is most likely. Yet we’ve yet to see how this works. So the Feds will be making yet another list …

I don't even want them tracking accessories sales. Im going to order some ammo from Cabala's. Dollar general sells the gift cards. Im thinking about getting a card with cash for payment.
Cabela's Gift Card (dollargeneral.com)

CoalCrackerAl said:

Some ways around it. Would be using gift cards to order online. And use cash to buy the gift cards. Buying in person use cash. Kinda sucks though for us who use rewards cards.

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Yes. This would be a way around this frivolous mandate.

CoalCrackerAl said:

I don't even want them tracking accessories sales. Im going to order some ammo from Cabala's. Dollar general sells the gift cards. Im thinking about getting a card with cash for payment.
Cabela's Gift Card (dollargeneral.com)

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Seems like a loop hole.

It's another case of "we will conduct this illegal search and then decide what you are guilty of".

I wonder if they will track Amazon sales? They sell plenty of gun related gear.

The German people said they didn't see it coming
Then they said they didn't know. No, I'm not talking about Jews. I'm talking about people that didn't want to see untill they were blind.

I love how inventive people can be. Cash for gift cards, then pay for a gun with gift cards:>) But, don't get too excited; government weasels can always find a way into your business and your wallet:<(

Cash will only work until it's regulated or eliminated as well. I have my suspicions about the timing of this, coming on the heels of the push to reduce the amount of cash transactions during and after the response to Covid-19.