UPS does not ship firearm anymore unless FFL

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UPS accepts packages containing Firearm Products for shipment only as a contractual service and only from Shippers who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code) to authorized recipients, as outlined in the approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.

To transport packages containing Firearm Products, the Shipper must enter into an approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.

The shipper must comply with and must ensure that each shipment containing Firearms or Firearm Parts complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package, including, without limitation, age restrictions. All Firearms and Firearm Parts shipments must also conform to the terms, conditions, restrictions, and prohibitions set forth on this page at the time of shipping, in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service and UPS Rate and Service Guide in effect at the time of shipping, and in the approved UPS Firearm Products agreement.

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UPS does not accept Firearms or Firearm Parts for shipment domestically unless (1) such shipments are in full compliance with all federal, state, and local laws, including, without limitation, age restrictions; (2) such Firearms, including any partially complete, disassembled, or nonfunctional frame or receiver (as defined by 27 CFR § 478.12), have been identified and bear a serial number in a manner that complies with federal law; and (3) such Firearm Parts within a package cannot be assembled to form a Firearm.

Any item that meets the definition of a Firearm (including Firearm mufflers or silencers) or a “frame” or “receiver” under federal law (including any partially complete, disassembled, or nonfunctional frame or receiver as defined by 27 CFR § 478.12) must be identified and bear a serial number in satisfaction of the requirements for identifying such items under federal law, including 27 CFR § 478.92 and/or 27 CFR § 479.102, regardless of whether any such items are otherwise exempt from or not subject to identification requirements under applicable law. This prohibition applies even before the effective date of 27 CFR § 478.12.
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The shipper must use Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required and Direct Delivery Only services for each package containing a Firearm, including a handgun or a Firearm suppressor, and affix a UPS label requesting an adult signature upon delivery.

All Firearm Products must be shipped in new corrugated packaging that meets the UPS Single Wall Box Strength Guidelines.

All Firearm Products must be packaged in accordance with UPS Packaging Guideline Specifications.

Ammunition must be shipped separately from packages that contain Firearms.

The labeling and outer box markings on all Firearm Products shipments must not identify the contents as containing Firearm Products. Labeling, including the shipper's and consignee's abbreviated names on the shipping label or air shipping document, must be non-descriptive.
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Checked Fed Ex -

Only customers holding a Federal Firearms License (FFL) and federal, state, or local government agencies may ship firearms with FedEx. Customers holding an FFL must enter into an approved FedEx Firearms Shipping Compliance Agreement before shipping any firearms with FedEx. Also, you must be an approved firearm shipper with a signed contract on file with FedEx. For more information, contact your FedEx account executive.

Nonlicensee shippers

Nonlicensees are prohibited from shipping firearms with FedEx.
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Looks like it goes through an FFL or not at all.
 
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Midway shipped me a Cap & Ball revolver (beautiful 1858 engraved) that AFT don’t consider a firearm but Seattle considered it a firearm and charged me a special $25 tax. Shipped by UPS, so they broke their own rules.

UPS, ???? confusing me bro
 
DeepSouth said:
Gotta get that that ESG score up!

I sure hope they don’t stop shipping ammo, that’d put a lot of folks in a bind. I’m sure it probably coming.
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it you can think it, it can be done… on a side note: nato ammo is cheap again! don’t let 2021 hit you again. Primers & BP, when you gonna catch up
 
DeepSouth said:
Gotta get that that ESG score up!

I sure hope they don’t stop shipping ammo, that’d put a lot of folks in a bind. I’m sure it probably coming.
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It was part of RJB's platform and on his website. Strange, that these carriers are now doing it. Hmmm:oops:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#

Specifically,

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End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts. ''
 
Well that is one reason I have just gone local. Shipping to an FFL from the hub became a pain and now it's out period. The consignment route is so much easier and no BS at all to deal with. Just collect my cash after it sells. Bought a many a firearm online in years past before they started taxing. Now days I just get it local even if it has to be ordered. Keep the locals in business now days.
 
I pity the younger guys & newer shooters! If this gets beat down it'll be some other woke poo after that I can assure you.

Stay vigilant, makes those calls to UPS, FedEx & whoever friends!
 
This provides a solid reason not to use UPS for any shipping, and provides an opportunity for a new player like Amazon to provide services that UPS will not. Meanwhile, we are seeing pinch points in the current system that the anti-gun element is focusing on to try to choke off the flow of arms and ammo. Each step that makes transactions more difficult encourages many of us to stock at higher levels.
 
Where are all those people who were all like "all this ups stuff is just a rumor".



Funny how most of the song titles describe the ups the situation.

I would go back and say "I told you so" but all the threads were locked or deleted, probably because they knew I would be proven right and they just wanted to deny there was a problem for as long as possible.
 
JDeere said:
Well that is one reason I have just gone local. Shipping to an FFL from the hub became a pain and now it's out period. The consignment route is so much easier and no BS at all to deal with. Just collect my cash after it sells. Bought a many a firearm online in years past before they started taxing. Now days I just get it local even if it has to be ordered. Keep the locals in business now days.
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Yep! local and cash. If I didn’t live in a Universal background State, I would buy only Private Sales. But, I do, so FFL gun shops only for me
 
Not at all surprising, was predicted by several of us here. Now one of their next steps is probably to stop the USPS from handling guns, which I'm shocked they haven't already done.
 
2 grafs and one midway order in the last week all shipped usps.
I selected "free shipping" where they pick the carrier on all of them. The grafs orders were just bullets no "parts".
Imagine that, locking threads and deleting posts didn't stop it from happening.
 
By the way, the text provided by Daniel Craig is out of date. Recent definitions, which you can access below, do not exempt antique handguns. That means only FFLs and a few other people in special categories can legally mail an antique or replica handgun. There has been lots of confusion about this, because it was previously ok for any of us to send an antique handgun by priority mail.

43 Firearms | Postal Explorer (usps.com)
 
Be careful what USPS facility you use or try to use. I was denied at my local PO, they had more excuses than you can imagine. I documented my experience and contacted the local postmaster. My postmaster was furious and is going to regroove the staff as to the rules. law, etc. I then actually mailed my firearm back to Winchester insured, tracking, signatures, etc. on Monday the 26th from my beachside office, where the Postmaster is manager. As of this date my M94 cannot be found as the only tracking shows it was at the facility, only. It is under investigation. Be careful out there. There are people in the shipping world that probably have a bias or maybe have sticky fingers. I have never seen anything like this.
 
BRatigan said:
Be careful what USPS facility you use or try to use. I was denied at my local PO, they had more excuses than you can imagine. I documented my experience and contacted the local postmaster. My postmaster was furious and is going to regroove the staff as to the rules. law, etc. I then actually mailed my firearm back to Winchester insured, tracking, signatures, etc. on Monday the 26th from my beachside office, where the Postmaster is manager. As of this date my M94 cannot be found as the only tracking shows it was at the facility, only. It is under investigation. Be careful out there. There are people in the shipping world that probably have a bias or maybe have sticky fingers. I have never seen anything like this.
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Post Office use to do everything by the Law. But with staff shortage (here in Seattle at lease) they will hire ANYBODY
 
It just cost me 141.67 + a 7.70 “after the fact” surcharge to ship a handgun this past week via FFL-UPS.
 
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