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Mark_Mark said:
was thinking the same thing, a SXS hammer gun with BP stuffed in! that sounds really FUN
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I have been shooting Black Powder loads in an old Stevens SXS hammer gun for many years.

I load them on my old MEC Jr.

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My load is a bit light, 4.3CC of Schuetzen FFg under 1 1/8 ounces of #8 shot. I use a 1/8" over powder card, a 1/2" cushion wad, and top the shot off with a thin over shot card. 4.3CC of Schuetzen works out to about 65 grains. That equals a little bit less than 2 1/2 drams of powder. With Black Powder, if you use too much for any specific weight of shot you will blow a hole in the pattern. The old rule of thumb is what was called a square load. Equal volume of powder and shot. Pour in more powder and you can blow a hole in the pattern. Less powder is not a problem.

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My load knocks down every knock down target I point it at. No need for any more powder.

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I've been loading BP loads for my Parker double for quite some time myself. Square load, plastic shot cup, no issues. It's worked well for quail and doves. I also shoot a CVA double using the same load, plastic shot cup with an over the shot wad to prevent embarrassment when pointing the gun barrel down hill.
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
I've been loading BP loads for my Parker double for quite some time myself. Square load, plastic shot cup, no issues. It's worked well for quail and doves. I also shoot a CVA double using the same load, plastic shot cup with an over the shot wad to prevent embarrassment when pointing the gun barrel down hill.
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I was down the shootgun rabbit hole for a bit. Still am really. Parker Brothers is High End!
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
Indeed they are, from what I refer to as " golden age of U.S. shotguns" You simply can't beat the workmanship on the old Parkers.
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did you know, that the L.C. Smith & Corona typewriter company also made some of the best American shotguns?!?!?! called the L.C. Smith, wonderful shotguns!

They have a building here in Seattle that’s was once the tallest building in America, the Smith Tower
 
I've got an L.C. Smith hammerless. They also made the Smith Corona 1903 A3 Springfield. I've got one of those too but it doesn't look much like a 1903 Springfield anymore.
 
hawg said:
I've got an L.C. Smith hammerless. They also made the Smith Corona 1903 A3 Springfield. I've got one of those too but it doesn't look much like a 1903 Springfield anymore.
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you folks was talking about old shotguns and you made me pull this old beauty out! I bought it for $35 about 10 years ago, shot it once and it hurt. love looking at it. it’s a H&R Topper M48 and that’s all I know about it.

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Frulk said:
Don’t know what you consider a bunch of money but Mossberg used to sell a black powder barrel for their shotguns. That may be one option.
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I'm not 100% certain, but I think those were rifled barrels to make them into slug guns for blackpowder deer season.
 
Mark_Mark said:
did you know, that the L.C. Smith & Corona typewriter company also made some of the best American shotguns?!?!?! called the L.C. Smith, wonderful shotguns!

They have a building here in Seattle that’s was once the tallest building in America, the Smith Tower
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Yes I am fully aware of L.C. Smith shotguns, in my humble opinion the Parker slightly beats them in fit and finish. Ithaca also made some fine shotguns.
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
Yes I am fully aware of L.C. Smith shotguns, in my humble opinion the Parker slightly beats them in fit and finish. Ithaca also made some fine shotguns.
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I can’t afford a L.C. Smith but if I came up on a Ithaca, I would think about it. We had a shoot every Tuesday at my buddies deer lease, years ago, and a Ithaca bottom eject was in the mix, I like it a bunch and offered to buy it. But, it was his grandpa’s hand me down. Smooth gun
 
Mark_Mark said:
you folks was talking about old shotguns and you made me pull this old beauty out! I bought it for $35 about 10 years ago, shot it once and it hurt. love looking at it. it’s a H&R Topper M48 and that’s all I know about it.

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My family are pretty much rifle and revolver people so our shotguns were either H&R single barrel guns or Winchester pump guns. 1897, M12 and so on. My first shotgun was a 16 gauge Topper. One of my cousins had the same gun in 12 gauge. Somehow he got a hold of a box of 3 inch shells and fired them all in that 2-3/4” chamber. To a skinny 12 year old, that gun kicked hard!!!
 
woodnbow said:
My family are pretty much rifle and revolver people so our shotguns were either H&R single barrel guns or Winchester pump guns. 1897, M12 and so on. My first shotgun was a 16 gauge Topper. One of my cousins had the same gun in 12 gauge. Somehow he got a hold of a box of 3 inch shells and fired them all in that 2-3/4” chamber. To a skinny 12 year old, that gun kicked hard!!!
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I got an 1887 Winchester when I was 11. It has a 2 5/8 chamber. I shot the snot out of it with 2 3/4 smokeless loads for years. I even fired a 3 inch magnum out of it by mistake once. No damage to the gun and I still have it. It did a number on the shell tho.

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Jackrabbit1957 said:
Combined with a short forcing cone it's a wonder he didn't get knocked on his kiester.
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His momma ordered the “Husky” sized wranglers from the JC Penny catalog. Not much would knock Stan on his ass… me on the other hand, I was moving from dawn to dusk and never carried an extra pound. So yea, it knocked ME on my ass!
 
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And that's why this Jannssen&Sons hammer gun is called "The Bloody Nose Gun". First time I shot it, 12 years old, it gave me a whopping bloody nose. But not wanting to be called a "sissy", I continued firing it, nose spouting blood like a fountain. Old Bloody Nose has since killed enough ducks, quail, partridge, grouse and turks to feed the Chinese army.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
I have a folding "Companion" 12 gauge in 3", I cut the barrel down for a "trekking" gun, about 22" I think. It weighs five pounds, and with 3" slug loads I promise it will hurt no matter how one holds it. !!!
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tell you what hurts no matter what I try. Ruger #1 45/70 405gn with 42gn of IMR-4198

5-10 and I’m DONE!
 
Is that a #1 or a #3? I have a Trapdoor carbine, which I don't find to be a hard kicker with even a 400 grain bullet over 80 grains of 3fg Swiss. (which is probably only a 1400fps load at best)
 
I shoot 200 grain pistol bullets in my trapdoor, tames it down a bunch. I checked the rifling twist and it's slower than my rolling block, which is happy with 350 grns and up. Both are 45/70 s.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
Is that a #1 or a #3? I have a Trapdoor carbine, which I don't find to be a hard kicker with even a 400 grain bullet over 80 grains of 3fg Swiss. (which is probably only a 1400fps load at best)
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I didn't think you could get 80 grains of 3F in a 45-70 case. I never tried but the most 2F I could get was about 67 grains. I just leveled it off at 65.
 
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