Targa
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Honestly I would love to have one of those. Not as a shooter, at least not with 45-70, but as part of my collection.
My collection will never be complete. There will always be "just one more" that I want.@Old_Grouch is your collection truly complete yet?
Honestly I would love to have one of those. Not as a shooter, at least not with 45-70, but as part of my collection.
So I have a bond arms 45LC/410 that I got a while back, and it's been in the safe and I have never even fired it. I bought it cause it, "looked cool" and felt like an anvil. Do they serve a real world purpose? I don't think I'd ever carry it, as obviously that is not practical. What are your thoughts?
second one is “buy now” for $300, which is just $50ish more than the price of a lesser-quality rowdy/roughneck.
since b.a. derringers are built stoutly and shot little, i wouldn’t worry about getting a used-up lemon. i do worry about the lower finishing of the rowdy/roughneck, as worry-free barrel interchangeability requires uniform platform finishing to a consistently high level of common precision. i learned the hard way, others are happy, ymmv.
Absolutely they have a purpose. They are a lot of fun to shoot. We buy them more as toys than for self defense.Do gimmick derringers shooting obsolete/irrelevant cartridges have a real world purpose in 2022?
I think they were referring to the American Derringer 'Alaskan Survival 45-70' Derringer I posted. Those are on Gunbroker though.gunbroker is your friend, especially if you are looking for the higher-quality original gen2 bond arms derringers:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/948855876
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/938942919
second one is “buy now” for $300, which is just $50ish more than the price of a lesser-quality rowdy/roughneck.
since b.a. derringers are built stoutly and shot little, i wouldn’t worry about getting a used-up lemon. i do worry about the lower finishing of the rowdy/roughneck, as worry-free barrel interchangeability requires uniform platform finishing to a consistently high level of common precision. i learned the hard way, others are happy, ymmv.
1) Collectible: As far as history, derringers are one of the most iconic handgunsDo gimmick derringers shooting obsolete/irrelevant cartridges have a real world purpose in 2022?
lol come on guy. Of course not. You'd be better served with a snubbie J frame .38.
Actually Rowdys are about $300. Roughneck about $280. So you are saying the Rough Series are lower quality based on some trouble mounting a different barrel? I would guess that that was a factory defect. The Rough Series guns are supposed to be every bit as high of quality as their more expensive guns, just a budget finish.
What does that have to do with anything? Necklaces, rings, and other jewelry don't have a "real world" purpose. Paintings or art sculpture don't have a "real world" purpose. Neither do bowling balls or golf clubs for that matter. None of those things will help you when attacked by marauding hordes of evil-doers so they must be useless too. There are lots of things that have no real purpose yet, oddly, some people enjoy having and owning them.Do gimmick derringers shooting obsolete/irrelevant cartridges have a real world purpose in 2022?
lol come on guy. Of course not. You'd be better served with a snubbie J frame .38.
I like it. Why monkey with switching out barrels. This is how I was thinking too. Maybe I should get that Roughneck 45 ACP vs. another barrel.I have (so far) 7 Bond Arms derringers. I carry a J frame "snubbie".
That's my view.What does that have to do with anything? Necklaces, rings, and other jewelry don't have a "real world" purpose. Paintings or art sculpture don't have a "real world" purpose. Neither do bowling balls or golf clubs for that matter. None of those things will help you when attacked by marauding hordes of evil-doers so they must be useless too. There are lots of things that have no real purpose yet, oddly, some people enjoy having and owning them.
I have (so far) 7 Bond Arms derringers. I carry a J frame "snubbie".
What does that have to do with anything? Necklaces, rings, and other jewelry don't have a "real world" purpose. Paintings or art sculpture don't have a "real world" purpose. Neither do bowling balls or golf clubs for that matter. None of those things will help you when attacked by marauding hordes of evil-doers so they must be useless too. There are lots of things that have no real purpose yet, oddly, some people enjoy having and owning them.
I have (so far) 7 Bond Arms derringers. I carry a J frame "snubbie".
Ok.
The person asked for a 'real world purpose' on something as subjective as a gun. For a *real world purpose* the answer is no. Only a knucklehead would genuinely carry a 2 shot gun in a goofy caliber, if my definition of real world purpose is the same as the OPs.
If the purpose is C&R (no, they're new production) or just neato range toys, sure. Fine. That's a purpose I guess.
Jewelry and art can appreciate in value, not gimmicks like modern production derringers.
.357 mag, compared to .45 acp or colt. But, I thought they did make .44 mag barrel at one pointI had the Rowdy .45/.410 to the range yesterday and it was a blast. Shot 180 grain cowboy loads and it was like there was no recoil at all. If felt so light. I packed my range bag with some 250 grain standard and cowboy. Hoping to go back tomorrow and see if I can get some recoil out of this thing.
What barrel would give me more recoil? .2.5 inch 45 ACP? 2.5 inch .357 magnum? The .357 ought to really kick, more than any other barrel they offer, because they don't offer magnum barrels in either .44 or .45.
Perhaps 44 Magnum at one time, but I don't see it on their site now. There are some more unusual that I am not aware how they would recoil:.357 mag, compared to .45 acp or colt. But, I thought they did make .44 mag barrel at one point
They've never made a .44 Magnum. That was American Derringer.What barrel would give me more recoil? .2.5 inch 45 ACP? 2.5 inch .357 magnum? The .357 ought to really kick,
Any of those should give you more. The .45 Colt only would as well, I believe. With the .45/.410 barrel there is a lot of freebore before the .45 bullet engages the rifling. At the point the bullet meets the resistance of the rifling it is actually pushing the gun forward briefly, offsetting some of the recoil. I know .45 ACP seems harsher to me than a .45 Colt from a .410 barrel despite the bullets in my ACP loads being 25 grains lighter than my Colt loads and both having similar velocities from my 1911 and Ruger Redhawk respectively. There's also the issue of gas blow-by in the .410 barrel reducing velocity. The bullet is spending quite a bit of time in a part of the barrel that is larger diameter than it is.Perhaps 44 Magnum at one time, but I don't see it on their site now.
Not going to lie, if they come out with a new .22 BA I'm all over that. Or .32.So I need to decide either to get a barrel only or go for a second gun. The Roughneck has the 2.5-inch .45 ACP . But for the money I probably should instead go with the 3.5-inch .45 ACP barrel only at $180., $100 less than the 2.5-inch .45 ACP Roughneck. I wonder if there would be that much difference between the 2.5- and 3.50-inch barrels for .45 ACP in recoil.
Back to the dry firing. Found this page at Bond Arms that repeats what my manual says about not recommending snap caps, but to use spent cases to dry fire, but adds that dry firing should be "for a few rounds only." It sounds like they basically do not recommend dry firing. I am okay with that. I want to fire real ammo, more fun!
They totally do not recommend any dry firing of the .22s, but I would think so long as you put the spent case so that a fresh part of the brass rim is under the firing pin it would work. Notice on the .22 the barrel centers are closer together so that the firing pins align with the rim. That was a clever way to accommodate rimfire without redesigning the frame with the pins closer together.
Some of these barrels are random lol. Like, who really wanted a 30 carbine derringer? Or 45-70 for that matter.Perhaps 44 Magnum at one time, but I don't see it on their site now. There are some more unusual that I am not aware how they would recoil:
30 Carbine,
44-40, and
45 Glock.
Mostly useless. Surprised they even make such barrels. They do have quite the caliber selection right now, but lacking in the small calibers.Some of these barrels are random lol. Like, who really wanted a 30 carbine derringer? Or 45-70 for that matter.
If the 45 Glock is .45 GAP, then it will be roughly similar to .45 ACP, as that was the intent of that cartridge.
Right, I would bet you that there is a far bigger demand for .22 lr, .32 acp, etc.Mostly useless. Surprised they even make such barrels. They do have quite the caliber selection right now, but lacking in the small calibers.
Yeah, either .22 or .32 would be fun. Depends on my barrel budget. Right now I am waffling between a 2.5" .45 ACP or a 3.5" .45 ACP and leaning to 3.5", but then that is $100 short of the whole Roughneck, a second gun for only an extra $100. But I would like the .45 ACP and then once I buy a stash of ammo for it, I will have good reason to get a .45 ACP semi-auto, looking for non-plastic and full DA. The AMT Backup .45 looks great. Neighbor has it, but on this site it gets a lot of bad reviews.Not going to lie, if they come out with a new .22 BA I'm all over that. Or .32.