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That’s pretty impressive. How is the overall “feel”? Solid, sloppy, loose but not too, stiff but not too…? I know it’s purely subjective but I think you probably have a good feel after years of running a progressive.Finished OAL consistency test continued - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...operational-consistency.911743/#post-12442742
Initial finished OAL variance was measured with loose shellplate from the factory. With the press fully disassembled and reassembled, OAL variance was checked again using the same die settings:
OAL measurements:
- 20 R-P headstamp cases resized around .750" were selected
- RMR 115 gr FMJ RN sized around .3555" were used
- Case mouth was flared to .380" at Station #5
- .378" taper crimp was used
- Bullets were seated and taper crimped in same step at Station #6
- 14 rounds measured 1.125"
- 6 rounds measured 1.126"
Impressive indeed. Press is "snug tight" but smooth.That’s pretty impressive. How is the overall “feel”?14 rounds measured 1.125"
6 rounds measured 1.126"
Thank you for such a detailed review.Impressive indeed. Press is "snug tight" but smooth.
Having a press that can load all pistol and large rifle cartridges in a package the size of ABLP is remarkable - https://leeprecision.com/pro-6000-six-pack-reloading-press/
"Stroke and clearance - sufficient for largest magnum rifle cases. Uses the same all steel linkage found on our Classic Cast 50 BMG press."
I loaded 10 more rounds to increase the "sample size".
Finished OAL consistency test continued - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...operational-consistency.911743/#post-12443544
OAL measurements:
- 10 R-P headstamp cases resized around .750" were selected
- RMR 115 gr FMJ RN sized around .3555" were used
- Case mouth was flared to .380" at Station #5
- .378" taper crimp was used
- Bullets were seated and taper crimped in same step at Station #6
- 1 round measured 1.124"
- 5 rounds measured 1.125"
- 4 rounds measured 1.126"
30 round composite so far:
- 1 at 1.124"
- 19 at 1.125"
- 10 at 1.126"
This may sound like a silly question but, do you have any range garbage LC 7.62mm brass to test pocket swaging, F/L sizing, etc? One of the “knocks” on Lee presses is that they’re “weak” and one of the debates over progressives is that some operations have to be performed off press. I know you don’t have 7.62 dies and this is about the kit as delivered - I’m just anticipating.Impressive indeed. Press is "snug tight" but smooth.
Having a press that can load all pistol and large rifle cartridges in a package the size of ABLP is remarkable - https://leeprecision.com/pro-6000-six-pack-reloading-press/
"Stroke and clearance - sufficient for largest magnum rifle cases. Uses the same all steel linkage found on our Classic Cast 50 BMG press."
I loaded 10 more rounds to increase the "sample size".
Finished OAL consistency test continued - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...operational-consistency.911743/#post-12443544
OAL measurements:
- 10 R-P headstamp cases resized around .750" were selected
- RMR 115 gr FMJ RN sized around .3555" were used
- Case mouth was flared to .380" at Station #5
- .378" taper crimp was used
- Bullets were seated and taper crimped in same step at Station #6
- 1 round measured 1.124"
- 5 rounds measured 1.125"
- 4 rounds measured 1.126"
30 round composite so far:
- 1 at 1.124"
- 19 at 1.125"
- 10 at 1.126"
Yes, shellplate tilt/deflection is a known phenomenon and if significant OAL variance is seen, using pre-resized brass can reduce OAL variance.With ABLP (4000) I see ~0.010" C.O.L difference between rounds being loaded in "turret" mode (when there is only one round on the press) and progressive mode (when there are rounds in all stations). Is it different on 6000?
Does number of utilized stations (especially sizing and crimping) affects C.O.L?
Wow, thanks for checking that.Yes, shellplate tilt/deflection is a known phenomenon and if significant OAL variance is seen, using pre-resized brass can reduce OAL variance.
I loaded 20 rounds in progressive mode using same die settings and since resizing lengthens case by few/several thousandths, I selected cases that were slightly shorter than .750":
OAL measurements loaded in progressive mode:
- 20 R-P headstamp cases around .750" were selected
- RMR 115 gr FMJ RN sized around .3555" were used
- Case mouth was flared to .380" at Station #5
- .378" taper crimp was used
- Bullets were seated and taper crimped in same step at Station #6
- 3 rounds measured 1.134"
- 10 rounds measured 1.135"
- 4 rounds measured 1.136"
- 3 rounds measured 1.137"
Why do I want a Lee 6-pack!?!?! WHY???WOW! A great deal of work in what you're posting and sharing!!! As I said earlier, very comprehensive and very detailed! Keep up the GREAT work!!!
I seem to get much more variance with OAL on my 4000. I may have to up my purchase time to buy the 6000 (it looks impressive) and give the 4000 to my son!
Lee should give you a sales commission or perhaps a rebate on the purchase of your press!!!
Thanks @LiveLife, your work is truly appreciated by all who visit here!!! Thanks Again and God Bless!
I am not a sales person for Lee. Just a retired Dillon user who also likes Lee products.I swear @LiveLife is a sales person for this product!
$239 for the Six Pack Pro press - https://www.titanreloading.com/product/lee-six-pack-pro/What do these press retail for?
$239! Why are you telling me this! I just got a new side job and gun money is flowing!!! ughhhhLoaded unsorted mixed range brass at random with following measurements of resized lengths and OALs:
- R-P .751" - 1.134"
- WIN .749" - 1.134"
- Blazer .747" - 1.129"
- G.F.L. .748" - 1.131"
- .FC. .750" - 1.129"
- FC .750" - 1.128"
- WIN .750" - 1.131"
- G.F.L. .750" - 1.131"
- Blazer .748" - 1.129"
- WIN .749" - 1.130"
- .FC. .747" - 1.128"
- FC - .752" - 1.131"
- G.F.L. .750" - 1.129"
- WIN .750" - 1.134"
- R-P .750" - 1.132"
- Blazer .750" - 1.130"
- WIN .748" - 1.132"
- FC .750" - 1.130"
- R-P .749" - 1.133"
- G.F.L. .750" - 1.133"
But wider swing in OAL variance was expected with mixed range brass and sorting brass by headstamp can reduce OAL variance like this random sample of WIN brass:
- WIN .749" - 1.133"
- WIN .747" - 1.131"
- WIN .750" - 1.132"
- WIN .750" - 1.131"
- WIN .751" - 1.133"
- WIN .750" - 1.131"
- WIN .748" - 1.132"
- WIN .750" - 1.132"
- WIN .747" - 1.133"
- WIN .751" - 1.133"
I am not a sales person for Lee. Just a retired Dillon user who also likes Lee products.
$239 for the Six Pack Pro press - https://www.titanreloading.com/product/lee-six-pack-pro/
$339 for the SPP kit (Also called Pro 6000) that comes complete with case feeder, powder measure and dies to reload a caliber - https://www.titanreloading.com/prod...nt/lee-presses/lee-six-pack-pro/lee-pro-6000/
But then my review of the product would not be "objective and impartial" rather "subjective and sponsored".Lee should give you a sales commission or perhaps a rebate on the purchase of your press!
I think that is the point: this is a full rig for the medium to advanced reloader. It’s at a price-point that the more advanced high-volume shooter can buy one for each caliber they shoot competitively without having to break the budget. Unless you’re a competitive shooter buying one and several tool heads would be more economical than buying several kits but it’s still an option down the road. I hope I have that right...$239! Why are you telling me this! I just got a new side job and gun money is flowing!!! ughhhh
Loaded unsorted mixed range brass at random with following measurements of resized lengths and OALs:
I am not a sales person for Lee. Just a retired Dillon user who also likes Lee products.
$239 for the Six Pack Pro press - https://www.titanreloading.com/product/lee-six-pack-pro/
$339 for the SPP kit (Also called Pro 6000) that comes complete with case feeder, powder measure and dies to reload a caliber - https://www.titanreloading.com/prod...nt/lee-presses/lee-six-pack-pro/lee-pro-6000/
I haven't seen that different tool heads will are available yet.Unless you’re a competitive shooter buying one and several tool heads would be more economical than buying several kits
Good point. I guess if you have the space it’s a viable alternative to switching out for caliber changes.I haven't seen that different tool heads will are available yet.
I must say that a separate press for each caliber I shoot in volume is pretty viable at that price point. I doubt I shoot much more than 5k rounds of any caliber a year...certainly less than 10k
Inline Fabrication Quick Change plates/system are my friends.Good point. I guess if you have the space it’s a viable alternative to switching out for caliber changes.
I haven't seen that different tool heads will are available yet.
I must say that a separate press for each caliber I shoot in volume is pretty viable at that price point. I doubt I shoot much more than 5k rounds of any caliber a year...certainly less than 10k
Good point. I guess if you have the space it’s a viable alternative to switching out for caliber changes.
Much like the Hornady bushings, the Lee bushings make the press a lot more flexible than changeable tool heads.But the quick change bushings wouldn't be too bad. Just change the preset dies.
I've be remiss in not also extending my thanks for your efforts and detail in exploring the new press.LiveLife! Great writeup....lots of trouble, but very worthwhile!
No tool heads on the sixpack.I haven't seen that different tool heads will are available yet.
I must say that a separate press for each caliber I shoot in volume is pretty viable at that price point. I doubt I shoot much more than 5k rounds of any caliber a year...certainly less than 10k
Much like the Hornady bushings, the Lee bushings make the press a lot more flexible than changeable tool heads.
On my LNL, I'll often change which dies I have mounted (and the order they are presented in) depending on what I want to do. I'm actually considering selling my, currently unused and almost new, APP to make room for a Pro 6000