Urban Daily Backpack Gun

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Educate me please.

I'll admit that it's been a half century or more since I even thought about going to a gym and back then I had a gym bag rather than any back pack. I was in urban settings, Baltimore city, Atlanta, Greensboro, NC., Phoenix (that was still pretty close to rural) and LA. I did carry for much of that time but it was usually either one of my S&W J frames or if a semi-automatic one of my Beretta or Bernardelli 7.65s. The drill though was almost always the same. I had a primary as listed above and a 25acp, most often my FN 1906 Browning Vest Pocket in a pocket. But the method was if in street clothes sweep my jacket back and firmly draw. When I changed to my gym clothes the little FN moved to the right hand gym shorts pocket and the method was if needed, hand in pocket and firmly draw.

But how can something like you are considering be used? What is the procedure while traveling? Where is it when you are in the gym?
 
ClicheBro said:
Is there anything better than the Sig Rattler in 300blk for daily carry in a backpack? I'm also considering a krinkov.
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Daily carry a shorty rifle caliber? Is this for Guatemala, Syria, Chicraque? Should the pack serve as body armor as well or will taping the plates be good enough? o_O

As so many have recommended, carry a handgun that you're good with as primary EDC. They're easier to carry discretely, access in the case of self-defense, present to the threat, and much easier for a jury to understand than a Rattler or a Krink at the gym.

If you just want a bag to fit a "rifle caliber pistol" there are scores out there that have been discussed in this section. Try this thread which was pretty comprehensive for descrete carry of an AR. "Discreet" rifle case..? | Page 4 | The High Road
 
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There are some quite compact urban .50 BMG bullpups, that should not be ignored by any serious urban backpacker, as .300 BLK is on the edge of good urban performance for active urban threats. Personally, I will not settle for anything less than a full auto AKM with a 40 round RPK magazine, but then again I live in a quiet neighborhood, so...
 
What situation do you expect to come up where you will have time to remove the gun from the backpack, assemble it, and take care of the threat? I assume this supplements a more ready CCW pistol of some sort?

I'll throw my suggestion in the box and say a CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1. If your CCW is a 9mm, it keeps the ammo the same. Whichever you pick, if the plan is to go subsonic (a good idea in an urban setting), go all the way and get a suppressor.
 
Well, you had better inform the gym that you are carrying such a beast and leaving it in your locker. If my gym, if you are unknown to most and someone is up on guns, we are calling the cops to take a look at you.

I regard the post as just posturing.
 
ClicheBro said:
Link to 300blk sig rattler for only $2000? That's $600 less than what I've found.
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Cancel your gym membership and take the $2600, look on Facebook marketplace or Craigslist and buy a nice squat rack w/ Olympic weight set, a treadmill and a stair stepper or eliptical. You'll save money, you won't have to worry about your gun getting stolen and you can work out in your underwear. :thumbup:
 
rust collector said:
This sounds like someone intent on impressing others with their firepower. If you choose to carry a $2000(correction, $2600 is even more impressive) gun around in a backpack, you may gain a reputation you do not anticipate, and you may lose your "daily carry" when it is taken from a locker or when someone relieves you of it at gunpoint.
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^^^ I tend to agree. Is this gym a long drive through dangerous territory, where you may have to spend the night alone if you have a breakdown? Why a bugout bag for a short trip to the gym, or are you expecting to have to barricade yourself in there when the Zombies attack? I'm all for SD, but am having a real difficult time comprehending why so much firepower is needed for an average daily workout.
 
I modified a couple of Jansport book bags so that there was a sleeve space near the bottom and against the back, held closed by velcro.
I first used it to hold a cap-and-ball revolver because that was what I had and I was bicycling or taking a bus through some tough areas... .
 
most dangerous cities where one should carry a pistol caliber carbine for protection are firmly anti-2a and just getting a ccw permit for a simple handgun is problematic.

going to the gym should be no different than any other urban activity where a ccw is necessary, as long as it’s lawful. even if one can lawfully carry a pcc in a backpack it is off-body, i.e. difficult to access by you and easy to steal by others.

changing the title of this thread doesn’t help o.p.’s line of thinking. a ccw while exercising in the gym or jogging outdoors should be small enough to fit in a fanny pack, e.g. some version of a naa mini revolver, a keltec p32 or maybe a s&w 642 would be my choices of mine.
 
I'll put it this way. In Iraq, I had the option to carry a rifle, a pistol, or both. Nearly all of the time, I stored the rifle and carried the pistol.

Of course long guns are better. But there's a reason we don't carry them everywhere. In carrying a long gun in a backpack, you have to take on the same degree of accountability as a woman who conceal carries in her purse. In my concealed carry classes, I tell the ladies; "Use the purse holster if it s REALLY your best option, but try to evolve to where you can do something else." Off-body carry means you have to keep control of that parcel at all times. Take it outside with you, to the bathroom, etc. The advantage a woman has, is that no one thinks it's odd when she grabs her purse every time she goes somewhere.

It's your life and your situation, you do what you want. I just can't see who this is practical.
 
It depends (yes, I say that a lot) on the purpose I suppose.
I have no fear of being set upon by a reinforced regiment of Attila's mongols or a chapter of Hell's Angels. Perhaps I'm just naive.

For my urban needs, I find a reliable double action revolver works well. For the record, no firearm (for immediate use) in a backpack. Too slow to respond.
 
I'll put it this way. In Iraq, I had the option to carry a rifle, a pistol, or both. Nearly all of the time, I stored the rifle and carried the pistol.

Of course long guns are better. But there's a reason we don't carry them everywhere. In carrying a long gun in a backpack, you have to take on the same degree of accountability as a woman who conceal carries in her purse. In my concealed carry classes, I tell the ladies; "Use the purse holster if it s REALLY your best option, but try to evolve to where you can do something else." Off-body carry means you have to keep control of that parcel at all times. Take it outside with you, to the bathroom, etc. The advantage a woman has, is that no one thinks it's odd when she grabs her purse every time she goes somewhere.

It's your life and your situation, you do what you want. I
 
Many of the responders in this thread should do some serious introspection about what side you're on. I think you should be ashamed of yourselves.

This is, fundamentally, a forum to support the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

When someone asks how to do something or for gear advice, and you try to turn the discussion from what/how to why by questioning their need with ridiculous statements like "Is this for Guatemala, Syria, Chicraque?", you are supporting the anti-gun mentality of need-based restrictions that are not consistent with Rights. And you are insulting and shaming people who may for economic reasons live in high crime areas and feel the desire for something more than a pistol or who may have medical conditions that make shooting pistols more difficult. Do you really think members should have to justify to you their need to exercise a right before asking a question, especially if it involves explaining their disabilities or finances? And you are showing how either ignorant or dismissive you are to the recent events (aka peaceful protests) where intersections were blocked and random motorists and their families (even from "good neighborhoods") were terrorized by rifle-wielding criminals.

Certainly, providing advice on how to conceal pcc or rifles where legal, and how to interact with the general public in places like gyms where someone might call local law enforcement is useful and appropriate. But anyone who says "Well, you had better inform the gym that you are carrying such a beast and leaving it in your locker. If my gym, if you are unknown to most and someone is up on guns, we are calling the cops to take a look at you" doesn't deserve the right others have worked so hard to preserve.

Seriously, who thinks it's a good idea to waltz up to the kid at the desk and say "I've got a gun!" and tell him where you're keeping it? This is horrible advice. How is advising someone to inform businesses that you have a gun consistent with the RKBA or even just common sense? This is a slap in the face to the thousands of RKBA activists who worked so hard for decades to pass concealed carry laws so that people can protect themselves without exposing themselves to the judgement of others, risking their job, etc. And what does being "up on guns" have to do with it? are you saying you'd call the cops for one kind of gun but not another? Unbelievable that this anti-gun sentiment would be written here.

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Don't carry your pcc to the gym because... - productive opinion/advice
You're just posturing and don't need to exercise your Right and I'll call the cops on you myself... - embarrassing anti-gun, pro-Fudd stereotype drivel

Not very THR, guys.
 
taliv said:
When someone asks how to do something or for gear advice, and you try to turn the discussion from what/how to why by questioning their need with ridiculous statements like "Is this for Guatemala, Syria, Chicraque?", you are supporting the anti-gun mentality of need-based restrictions that are not consistent with Rights.
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I would characterize that as commenting on the wisdom, not questioning the need.

I can think of nowadvantage for carrying such a weapon concealed, and of many reasons to not do so,
 
Certainly, providing advice on how to conceal pcc or rifles where legal, and how to interact with the general public in places like gyms where someone might call local law enforcement is useful and appropriate. But anyone who says "Well, you had better inform the gym that you are carrying such a beast and leaving it in your locker. If my gym, if you are unknown to most and someone is up on guns, we are calling the cops to take a look at you" doesn't deserve the right others have worked so hard to preserve.
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BS - Taliv and typical of you. A person suggests a basically ridiculous and risky behavior. They have the 'right' but ask in a general forum about the issue. If they cannot take a critique of the entire idea - too bad. If you got your absolutist feelings hurt, that is unfortunate as you are not being realistic in today's world.

A gym that I frequent, because of its affliation, received credible (according to the FBI) ethnically and religiously based threats. Thus, I am there and noticeable concealed long arm waltzes in the door, I am paying attention and calling the law. If the person gets the SWAT team lookover, that is absolutely fine. The RKBA is not a suicide pact to support not having situational awareness.

Bah. Not say that someone doesn't have the right, is simply not the THR. Perhaps, you should rethink your role.
 
jstert said:
most dangerous cities where one should carry a pistol caliber carbine for protection are firmly anti-2a and just getting a ccw permit for a simple handgun is problematic.
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Might want to do a little more research. The majority of the most dangerous cities in the US are in Shall Issue or Constitutional carry states.
 
ClicheBro said:
Do you have a folding stock?
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Captive buffer side folder.

Kleanbore said:
I can think of nowadvantage for carrying such a weapon concealed, and of many reasons to not do so,
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I don’t think that it’s my job to tell other people whether or not they should do something unless they ask me for that advice.

In this case, since the question was not about practicality or legality, I think that it would have been better to either address the gear question, keep quiet, or ask the OP if they were willing to explain their rationale for carry.

Just my opinion, but unsolicited finger waggling and unflattering assumptions are not particularly High Road.
 
Thank you to the people who replied with useful information. I'm going with the rattler upper and most likely an Aimpoint ACRO P2 on a Reptilia 1.93 mount and probably the new Modlite PDW model.
 
If I were to "call the cops on" someone I suspected to be a potential a threat, it would not be because I oppose the right to keep and bear arms.

There are a number of things that might cause me to consider doing so. Most are behavioral and would have nothing to do nothing to do with my seeing a gun.

I might be concerned about someone whom I do not know carrying a long arm openly, or perhaps concealing one , in a place in which its carry would not normally be expected. That does not mean that I question anyone's right to possess one.

It is simply the first step in risk management: risk identification. It is a basic element of situational awareness.

I would expect just about anyone to do something similar.

If someone were to mention to me his intention to put such a weapon in a backpack to take to a gym for purposes of carrying concealed, as apposed to transporting it, I would surely lay out some of the reasons why that might not be considered prudent.

Some of those would relate to the tactical, and others, to the potential reaction of others.

Might that be taken as "unsolicited finger wagging"? Not by a serious thinker, in my opinion.
 
I just don’t see any advantage to something so big and heavy and not really easy to shoot. Toss a red dot on any full size handgun and you’ve a better option. A 45 ACP 200 grain bullet doing 1000 FPS matches a subsonic .300 blackout round. A 5.5 inch rifle barrel will be exciting with full strength ammo.
 
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