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Is there anything better than the Sig Rattler in 300blk for daily carry in a backpack? I'm also considering a krinkov.
Yes. A 9mm handgun, not a PCC. Thats not a dis on your Rattler or .300blk.
And by daily carry it should be on YOU, not in your backpack.



To clarify: this is a backpack I take to the gym. I live in the suburbs and I don't take it in the woods.
How are you getting from home to the gym or from work to the gym? If by public transportation I most definitely see a purpose in having a PCC in your backpack.
Where will this bag be when you are working out? In your locker? In the car? or are you going to lug your backpack with Rattler, spare mags, to each station on your workout circuit?

I'm an FFL. I know lots of police officers, FBI agents, Secret Service, Federal Marshals and even an FDIC special agent........not a one of them carries an AR/AK/PCC in his gym bag. Are they in the car? Most likely.
 
Many of the responders in this thread should do some serious introspection about what side you're on. I think you should be ashamed of yourselves.

This is, fundamentally, a forum to support the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

When someone asks how to do something or for gear advice, and you try to turn the discussion from what/how to why by questioning their need with ridiculous statements like "Is this for Guatemala, Syria, Chicraque?", you are supporting the anti-gun mentality of need-based restrictions that are not consistent with Rights. And you are insulting and shaming people who may for economic reasons live in high crime areas and feel the desire for something more than a pistol or who may have medical conditions that make shooting pistols more difficult. Do you really think members should have to justify to you their need to exercise a right before asking a question, especially if it involves explaining their disabilities or finances? And you are showing how either ignorant or dismissive you are to the recent events (aka peaceful protests) where intersections were blocked and random motorists and their families (even from "good neighborhoods") were terrorized by rifle-wielding criminals.

Certainly, providing advice on how to conceal pcc or rifles where legal, and how to interact with the general public in places like gyms where someone might call local law enforcement is useful and appropriate. But anyone who says "Well, you had better inform the gym that you are carrying such a beast and leaving it in your locker. If my gym, if you are unknown to most and someone is up on guns, we are calling the cops to take a look at you" doesn't deserve the right others have worked so hard to preserve.

Seriously, who thinks it's a good idea to waltz up to the kid at the desk and say "I've got a gun!" and tell him where you're keeping it? This is horrible advice. How is advising someone to inform businesses that you have a gun consistent with the RKBA or even just common sense? This is a slap in the face to the thousands of RKBA activists who worked so hard for decades to pass concealed carry laws so that people can protect themselves without exposing themselves to the judgement of others, risking their job, etc. And what does being "up on guns" have to do with it? are you saying you'd call the cops for one kind of gun but not another? Unbelievable that this anti-gun sentiment would be written here.

TLDR:
Don't carry your pcc to the gym because... - productive opinion/advice
You're just posturing and don't need to exercise your Right and I'll call the cops on you myself... - embarrassing anti-gun, pro-Fudd stereotype drivel

Not very THR, guys.

And why is being not just pro-Fudd but actually a Fudd and chuckling at kids that resort to such playground antics wrong?

And being pro-2A does not mean simply accepting any position without challenge or requesting reasoned argument and support.
 
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Many of the responders in this thread should do some serious introspection about what side you're on. I think you should be ashamed of yourselves.

This is, fundamentally, a forum to support the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Oh please. This has nothing to do with what side of the Second Amendment one is on, and a whole lot to do with common sense and practicality.
If someone were to post "What caliber/BUG for traveling from my den to my backyard?" the answers would be largely the same.
 
Read through most of this. "For daily carry" to the gym and around town??? Sounds like your going looking for trouble instead of having something for self defense. IF something happened and you pulled one of those in that situation how would it look? Sorry bad, bad idea, IMO.
 
Many of the responders in this thread should do some serious introspection about what side you're on. I think you should be ashamed of yourselves.

This is, fundamentally, a forum to support the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

When someone asks how to do something or for gear advice, and you try to turn the discussion from what/how to why by questioning their need with ridiculous statements like "Is this for Guatemala, Syria, Chicraque?", you are supporting the anti-gun mentality of need-based restrictions that are not consistent with Rights. And you are insulting and shaming people who may for economic reasons live in high crime areas and feel the desire for something more than a pistol or who may have medical conditions that make shooting pistols more difficult. Do you really think members should have to justify to you their need to exercise a right before asking a question, especially if it involves explaining their disabilities or finances? And you are showing how either ignorant or dismissive you are to the recent events (aka peaceful protests) where intersections were blocked and random motorists and their families (even from "good neighborhoods") were terrorized by rifle-wielding criminals.

Certainly, providing advice on how to conceal pcc or rifles where legal, and how to interact with the general public in places like gyms where someone might call local law enforcement is useful and appropriate. But anyone who says "Well, you had better inform the gym that you are carrying such a beast and leaving it in your locker. If my gym, if you are unknown to most and someone is up on guns, we are calling the cops to take a look at you" doesn't deserve the right others have worked so hard to preserve.

Seriously, who thinks it's a good idea to waltz up to the kid at the desk and say "I've got a gun!" and tell him where you're keeping it? This is horrible advice. How is advising someone to inform businesses that you have a gun consistent with the RKBA or even just common sense? This is a slap in the face to the thousands of RKBA activists who worked so hard for decades to pass concealed carry laws so that people can protect themselves without exposing themselves to the judgement of others, risking their job, etc. And what does being "up on guns" have to do with it? are you saying you'd call the cops for one kind of gun but not another? Unbelievable that this anti-gun sentiment would be written here.

TLDR:
Don't carry your pcc to the gym because... - productive opinion/advice
You're just posturing and don't need to exercise your Right and I'll call the cops on you myself... - embarrassing anti-gun, pro-Fudd stereotype drivel

Not very THR, guys.
Wait, WHAT?? Someone like this that thinks he needs one of those to go to a urban gym or walking around daily...... I won't say it. Theres the 2A right and plain old common sense. It would be a huge anti 2A if it was pulled or used these days. JMO
 
Wowzer! This has to be one of the most entertaining threads I've read in a while.

With that said, I presume the OP has checked on all local gun laws. There would be no way to pull this off, legally, in South Carolina as a concealed handgun must have an overall length of less than 12 inches.
 
i'll start a new thread as we apparently have some pretty fundamentally different worldviews
 
i'll start a new thread as we apparently have some pretty fundamentally different worldviews
If they go off topic will you still read their replies? I don't. I read maybe five posts in this thread.
 
If they go off topic will you still read their replies? I don't. I read maybe five posts in this thread.
You asked a question and got truthful answers you didn't like. Running around a urban setting with what you want to carry will get you in trouble and if it does no sympathy in the anti gun climate we're currently in. You'll get screwed and all gun owners will take a hit. Unless thats what you want. Don't play Rambo.
 
If they go off topic will you still read their replies? I don't. I read maybe five posts in this thread.
So what type of plate carrier and helmet are you going to wear to gym? Also, how many spare mags are you planning on carrying?
 
fine i'll post in this thread instead.

I would characterize that as commenting on the wisdom, not questioning the need.
could be, but there are plenty of responses that appear to be questioning the need. Some snippets
I'm working out someplace else if'n I need a crew served weapon to feel safe.
I'm all for SD, but am having a real difficult time comprehending why so much firepower is needed for an average daily workout.
I have no fear of being set upon by a reinforced regiment of Attila's mongols or a chapter of Hell's Angels. Perhaps I'm just naive.
For my urban needs, I find a reliable double action revolver works well.
It must be a very tough neighborhood for a workout.
Let me get this straight; you feel that it's not safe to go to the gym without carrying Sig Rattler in your backpack?
What kind of gym is this and in which neighborhood - the Taleban Crossfit 24/7 in Kabul???

for context, this is how the SCOTUS ruling was described in the news (parentheticals mine)
Gun safety advocates (aka anti-gun advocates), however, emphasize that the court’s ruling was limited in scope and still allows states to regulate types of firearms, where people can carry firearms and the permitting process, including requirements for background checks and training. Democratic lawmakers (Democrats) in some of the states affected by the Supreme Court decision already have passed new firearm restrictions that they hope will survive judicial scrutiny.
The New York law, which had been on the books for more than a century, required residents to demonstrate a “proper cause” (aka NEED) for carrying a concealed handgun in public for self-defense. Not only did the court strike down this law, finding it was applied unevenly, but it also established a new legal test. Gun laws now must be judged based on the “text, history and tradition” of the Second Amendment: What did the amendment mean to the founders, where did they think the right to bear arms originated, and how did they apply it?

In the majority opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that the Second Amendment often has been treated like a second-class right.

“We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need,” he wrote.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/resear...gun-rights-decision-upends-state-restrictions

If that's unclear, the central tenant is "need" vs Rights, and anti-gunners have used this to prevent citizens from exercising their rights:
"You don't need a weapon of war!"
"You don't need a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds!"
"You don't need a semi automatic!"
"You don't need a rifle because you live in a safe neighborhood!"
"You don't need to open carry!"
"You don't need a gun that big!"
"You don't need a sniper rifle!"
"You don't need a gun that quiet!"
"You don't need a flash hider!"
"You don't need hollow point / cop killer ammo!"
"You don't need to own more than 100 rounds at a time!"
"You don't need to buy more than 1 gun per month!"
"You don't need a gun that small!"
"You don't need to carry a gun at x location!"

This is clearly, always an attempt to restrict the constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

Obviously, there are many actions which are protected rights which are very ill-advised. For example, the 1A allows you to say things you really shouldn't. And certainly, there are many acts with firearms that are protected by the 2A that are very bad ideas (eg. using serpa holsters). I wholeheartedly support advising our peers against doing things they shouldn't. But basing arguments on need is completely irrelevant to Rights and is an invitation for bans. The old NRA crowd saying nobody needs an evil black rifle to hunt deer was the cover clinton needed for the '94 AWB. Just my opinion, but at this date, I don't think anyone who says "i'm pro gun but nobody needs a ..." really understands the concepts of Rights or freedom. (ref Denis Leery's green jell-o rant)

Perhaps backpack carry of long arms is a bad idea but I assume from the fairly large number of companies offering backpacks and cases designed to conceal long guns, that they sell quite a few. There are probably quite a lot of people carrying pcc and AR pistols more or less every day. I have a couple myself and while i don't carry them around often, I'm glad I have the right and ability, should circumstances change and I suddenly find it appropriate. If for no other reason, it is widely accepted on this board that you must practice something for it to be useful. It's unreasonable to expect someone to be proficient at carrying a long gun unless he is allowed to do so. It should rather be encouraged. And as previous SCOTUS cases pointed out, "common usage" matters.

If I were to "call the cops on" someone I suspected to be a potential a threat, it would not be because I oppose the right to keep and bear arms.

There are a number of things that might cause me to consider doing so. Most are behavioral and would have nothing to do nothing to do with my seeing a gun.

I might be concerned about someone whom I do not know carrying a long arm openly, or perhaps concealing one , in a place in which its carry would not normally be expected. That does not mean that I question anyone's right to possess one.

It is simply the first step in risk management: risk identification. It is a basic element of situational awareness.

I would expect just about anyone to do something similar.

100% agree. It's perfectly reasonable and I would do the same. but that's not at all what GEM said,
Well, you had better inform the gym that you are carrying such a beast and leaving it in your locker. If my gym, if you are unknown to most and someone is up on guns, we are calling the cops to take a look at you.
followed by
Thus, I am there and noticeable concealed long arm waltzes in the door, I am paying attention and calling the law. If the person gets the SWAT team lookover, that is absolutely fine. The RKBA is not a suicide pact to support not having situational awareness.
Perhaps GEM didn't mean for his initial post to be relevant to the OP, as he attends the one gym in the country that the FBI has credible threats about and thus he has a special need (talk about posturing...), but assuming GEM would behave similarly in any gym in the country, and call the cops on someone attempting to conceal a long arm in a backpack for no other reason than seeing a concealed long arm, and then make a mild attempt to conceal his glee that someone exercising his right in a way GEM doesn't approve of would be inconvenienced, humiliated, threatened and probably physically abused by SWAT... how could such an attitude possibly be consistent with RKBA advocacy? It plays into precisely the anti-gun legislative agenda post-NYSRPA ruling, which as I bolded in the quote above, is to regulate the type of gun (you don't need a long gun) and where they can be carried (you don't need a gun in the gym).


Wait, WHAT?? Someone like this that thinks he needs one of those to go to a urban gym or walking around daily...... I won't say it. Theres the 2A right and plain old common sense. It would be a huge anti 2A if it was pulled or used these days. JMO
What does need have to do with his right? Do you need more than 10 rounds walking around daily? a semi auto? a larger caliber than 22lr?

The pro-RKBA tent should be big enough for people who want to carry rifles. Heaven forbid we ever have to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government, we will almost certainly want rifles and it will almost certainly be preceded by some period of time where we will want to conceal them.
 
If someone were to mention to me his intention to put such a weapon in a backpack to take to a gym for purposes of carrying concealed, as apposed to transporting it, I would surely lay out some of the reasons why that might not be considered prudent.

Some of those would relate to the tactical, and others, to the potential reaction of others.

Might that be taken as "unsolicited finger wagging"? Not by a serious thinker, in my opinion.
If one of my close friends suggested what the OP asked, I would probably turn the conversation sideways from a gear question into a ‘why you wanna do dat?’ conversation - specifically because we are familiar and we’ve earned that right from each other. If someone I didn’t know particularly well, on the other hand, suggested it (e.g. the OP), I would probably NOT presume to assume much of anything beyond the basic question. If I really did feel obligated to dig deeper, I would probably start by asking them why they felt compelled to do such a thing and listening to their answer before I started telling them why it was a bad idea.

It’s all about style, I guess. I think there is value in starting a side conversation with a degree of respect that was simply lacking in this case. I don’t think that recognizing that is indicative of a lack of serious thought at all.
 
The pro-RKBA tent should be big enough for people who want to carry rifles. Heaven forbid we ever have to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government, we will almost certainly want rifles and it will almost certainly be preceded by some period of time where we will want to conceal them.

So you think mister 2A should get up and sling a rifle and say go to the mall? Stop by school? Go grocery shopping. Just play Rambo all day long in a urban setting? Because you think the government will attack at any minute. WOW. Your fuel to the anti 2A movement. Be careful tonight. Your shadow might get you.
 
responses that appear to be questioning the need
Taliv, if someone came around asking for advice for the best "urban carry" solution to get their Barrett M82 to their yoga class in downtown Austin, would you question the need and perhaps the sanity of the person asking this question?

I feel ClicheBro is very likely either a troll or a person who doesn't carry and maybe doesn't even go to the gym.
 
If one of my close friends suggested what the OP asked, I would probably turn the conversation sideways from a gear question into a ‘why you wanna do dat?’ conversation - specifically because we are familiar and we’ve earned that right from each other. If someone I didn’t know particularly well, on the other hand, suggested it (e.g. the OP), I would probably NOT presume to assume much of anything beyond the basic question. If I really did feel obligated to dig deeper, I would probably start by asking them why they felt compelled to do such a thing and listening to their answer before I started telling them why it was a bad idea.

It’s all about style, I guess. I think there is value in starting a side conversation with a degree of respect that was simply lacking in this case. I don’t think that recognizing that is indicative of a lack of serious thought at all.

One Red Flag for me is the OP has 56 posts. Is he a newbie crazy about guns or someone comming into a popular firearm website asking about a bad idea to gather info that can be turned against honest gun owners. His idea either way is not good.
 
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taliv: Those are excellent points.

I wasn't trying to sound like an Anti-Sec. Amendment or other "FUDD" type. The temptation to second-guess what was difficult to visualize - IF the OP is sincere - makes me feel a bit guilty.

When I sometimes carry a concealed handgun on a couple of errands in a Memphis suburb, even Though the gun is very accessible and the entire area is generally safe (other than thugs being Anywhere these days), a serious fraction of the US population could never understand legal carry......
 
I'm not sure a PDW is a great option for gym carry. FWIW, I carry at my gym but I keep it on-body in a belly band, and I go at times when the place is nearly empty. There's always a chance of someone stealing from your locker (I don't keep much there, plus I use a PacLok which is much more secure than a dept store lock) but that's up to each person to balance in a risk/reward sense. My biggest issue is that I'm not sure that one would be able to deploy a gun from a backpack quick enough to use in an emergency. True, we can wargame situations where maybe you would. And if I lived in a hellhole like Memphis (currently the most violent city in North America) or something I'd probably consider carrying more firepower than my Ruger LCR. It's somewhat risky IMO to have a firearm there but not under your direct control (ie in a locker) and difficult to quickly deploy from a backpack.

A backpack gun perhaps makes more sense in the woods where you might hike into an area and camp for the night before moving on; having a long gun or something beyond a basic service pistol is very nice when you're in an area with zero chance of help if you get in a jam. Once I was camping with my brother, and the fact that we had a 12ga, an AR and a pair of 9mm pistols maybe have prevented a situation from going very badly for us.
 
I'm rather surprised this thread is not locked yet.
I haven't read all the posts. So I don't really know if any have ventured off into suggesting the suppression of firearms rights. I can say for certain, my comments are not directed toward a tightening of firearms availability or ownership. I have serious doubts about the usefulness of the idea.
To characterize a statement of common sense is NOT in any way anti-second amendment, nor anti-self defense.

The awkwardness is demonstrated in the idea of having a personal defense weapon in a separate bag. In an urban environment, the need for personal - or group - defense is typically immediate. Digging anything out of a backpack or carry bag is not so immediate. Not having one's defense on one's person is not so immediate.
None of this suggests firearms should be restricted or banned completely or even 'infringed'. Please do not confuse one for the other.
 
The awkwardness is demonstrated in the idea of having a personal defense weapon in a separate bag. In an urban environment, the need for personal - or group - defense is typically immediate. Digging anything out of a backpack or carry bag is not so immediate. Not having one's defense on one's person is not so immediate.

Yeah, kind of like the car/truck gun thing, some people just want them there somewhere “handy” and others want to be able to put it into action quickly without having to exit the vehicle. Two different things that just seem the same, when one thinks they want a firearm in a vehicle.

Maybe for the quick use guys, it needs to be decked out inside a bit. Like these briefcase’s…

 
So you think mister 2A should get up and sling a rifle and say go to the mall? Stop by school? Go grocery shopping. Just play Rambo all day long in a urban setting? Because you think the government will attack at any minute. WOW. Your fuel to the anti 2A movement. Be careful tonight. Your shadow might get you.
It wasn't that long ago that about 90% of the pickup trucks around here had a gun rack in the back window with a rifle and a shotgun. Nobody thought "OMG!! RAMBO!!1!"
You have allowed the anti-gun media to infect your idea of what is normal.

I really don't think it's a good idea for OP to carry pcc to gym. Thankfully there have been many well-reasoned responses in this thread explaining why it's a bad idea.
My objection is a) to basing arguments on need, and b) to the very non-THR, insulting attitude in posts like yours that are divisive and derisive.

Taliv, if someone came around asking for advice for the best "urban carry" solution to get their Barrett M82 to their yoga class in downtown Austin, would you question the need and perhaps the sanity of the person asking this question?

I feel ClicheBro is very likely either a troll or a person who doesn't carry and maybe doesn't even go to the gym.
this forum used to be very accommodating to new shooters asking really stupid questions. Honestly, no, my approach would not involve need. I mean, I've prob got 1000 posts on this forum explaining why 308win isn't appropriate for getting into long range shooting. I'd like to think I could suggest an alternative to the barrett and explain why there are better choices without saying "you don't need a 50cal".
 
It wasn't that long ago that about 90% of the pickup trucks around here had a gun rack in the back window with a rifle and a shotgun. Nobody thought "OMG!! RAMBO!!1!"
You have allowed the anti-gun media to infect your idea of what is normal.

And I thought it was impossible to be 110% correct…

A lot like people moving out of the city and then flood the sheriff’s office the morning of September 1st with calls because of gun fire….
 
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