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Mission doesn't matter, at least with regard to the OP's questions.

For those who need help getting over this stumbling block, imagine that he is a bodyguard, and his principal wants inconspicuous protection while s/he is working out. Or whatever other unconventional purpose makes sense to you.

Afterwards, can we please get back to the questions he posed? Namely, what do we think about the various short-barrelled, rifle-caliber tools with folding stocks, and the various ways to carry them?
 
The awkwardness is demonstrated in the idea of having a personal defense weapon in a separate bag. In an urban environment, the need for personal - or group - defense is typically immediate. Digging anything out of a backpack or carry bag is not so immediate. Not having one's defense on one's person is not so immediate.
that's certainly true. but there have been quite a few incidents where people in mass shootings have retrieved a gun from their car and returned to engage the shooter.
I don't really go to the gym much anymore, but when I did 3-4x per week, I never carried or saw anyone carrying while working out. Sure, sometimes i left my gun in my pants in my locker. Would it matter much at that point whether it was a holstered handgun or a bagged pcc? neither are really going to be immediate
 
I may be wrong, but on the surface the SIG Rattler looks like an SBR'd AR with a folding stock.

What differences are there between the folding stock mechanism on the Rattler and the various after-market folding mechanisms currently available?

OP, what led you to select the SIG version?
 
that's certainly true. but there have been quite a few incidents where people in mass shootings have retrieved a gun from their car and returned to engage the shooter.
I don't really go to the gym much anymore, but when I did 3-4x per week, I never carried or saw anyone carrying while working out. Sure, sometimes i left my gun in my pants in my locker. Would it matter much at that point whether it was a holstered handgun or a bagged pcc? neither are really going to be immediate
Which is why I mentioned carrying something small enough to even fit in gym clothes. Any gun, even my little FN Vest Pocket 6.35 Browning, would be more effective than the biggest badest firearm in the locker.
 
Mission doesn't matter, at least with regard to the OP's questions.
Sure it does. Mission defines requirements--not "requirements" as determined by society, but what a person would select to meet the mission needs. In this case it was defined as "urban daily carry".

It wasn't that long ago that about 90% of the pickup trucks around here had a gun rack in the back window with a rifle and a shotgun. Nobody thought "OMG!! RAMBO!!1!"
You have allowed the anti-gun media to infect your idea of what is normal.
I, for one, have not. In that case, as in this one, it is about the wisdom of the choice, and not the right--as it was in th case of that guy we had a few years ago who walked around wearing two Japanese swords forurban self defense..
 
Just my opinion, but at this date, I don't think anyone who says "i'm pro gun but nobody needs a ..." really understands the concepts of Rights or freedom.

Sure we do...we just understand the 1st, along with the 2nd. You are entitled to your opinion, but so are we. Nobody here is telling him he can't do it, just questioning why he would want to. Big difference when you realize it. As of yet, I've not seen a response.

Below is the best response in this thread.....

Oh please. This has nothing to do with what side of the Second Amendment one is on, and a whole lot to do with common sense and practicality.
If someone were to post "What caliber/BUG for traveling from my den to my backyard?" the answers would be largely the same.
 
It's as if someone saw an ad or video touting a product, and immediately set about searching for a question to which that was the answer. Maybe most of us have been guilty of that to some degree, but it is good to have others who care enough to try to talk some sense into us.

No shame, no blame, no fame. Just another day in paradise.
 
I may be wrong, but on the surface the SIG Rattler looks like an SBR'd AR with a folding stock.

What differences are there between the folding stock mechanism on the Rattler and the various after-market folding mechanisms currently available?

OP, what led you to select the SIG version?
Yes the Rattler is effectively a very short folding stock AR. It's a piston system so there's no buffer tube, and the receiver ends at the folding mechanism. It has a 5.5" barrel in .300blk. Everything else I've seen in 300 have buffer tubes and longer barrels, making them considerably longer in comparison. I don't know how Sig makes the 5.5" barrel work. From what I'm reading most people report needing at least 8.5" barrels to run reliably. With its short length there's a possibility to keep the silencer on it while in the bag as well.

Edit: The Law Tactical folder that you've seen doesn't need the buffer tube to stick out. I haven't seen any guns using that with a barrel this short though. I suppose I could have one assembled but I suspect I there would be a lot of trial and error to get it to run well.
 
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Oh please. This has nothing to do with what side of the Second Amendment one is on, and a whole lot to do with common sense and practicality.
Exactly!
but at this date, I don't think anyone who says "i'm pro gun but nobody needs a ..." really understands the concepts of Rights or freedom.
It's matter of context. Do not conflate the questioning of a need with regard to discussing a right with the discussion of need as itrelates to tool selection. That appears to reflect an extreme oversensitivity to the former.
 
I see OP's question as someone, who is wearing rubber Wellington boots for a casual walk in the city, in the middle of the summer. Sure you can wear them when the thermometers are reaching 100 F and no one is going to stop you, but is it really the best option? Are you sure, that such footwear is best suited for that application?
 
Yes the Rattler is effectively a very short folding stock AR. It's a piston system so there's no buffer tube, and the receiver ends at the folding mechanism. It has a 5.5" barrel in .300blk. Everything else I've seen in 300 have buffer tubes and longer barrels, making them considerably longer in comparison. I don't know how Sig makes the 5.5" barrel work. From what I'm reading most people report needing at least 8.5" barrels to run reliably. With its short length there's a possibility to keep the silencer on it while in the bag as well.

Edit: The Law Tactical folder that you've seen doesn't need the buffer tube to stick out. I haven't seen any guns using that with a barrel this short though. I suppose I could have one assembled but I suspect I there would be a lot of trial and error to get it to run well.

I've never seen a piston operated mechanism like the Rattler in the AR form factor! Sleeker, and likely much lighter than the LAW adapter. Very cool.

Regarding tuning, I put an adjustable gas block on my SBR'd AR 300 BO upper. Then, I worked up accurate super- and sub-sonic loads for my gun. Last, I found gas block settings for each load that cycled the gun while silenced and unsilenced. For a total of four settings.

Does SIG recommend the same kind of process for the Rattler?
 
Geez, this thread has gone all over the map. Usually a poster wants input on a decision. I think the OP wanted agreement on his (or her) choice. Concealed carry has one purpose; to have a firearm with you if/when you need it. Better to have a NAA "mini revolver" in .22 short in hand when things go South than a Glock 17 with a 33 rd mag back on the nightstand. I don't carry one but I wouldn't insult anyone carrying a SW J Frame .38 spl 24/7. Also, your "carry weapon" needs to be on your person so it can be "deployed" in about 1 second or so. Joe
 
Before I make my main comment I'm going to agree with TheHermit and say that I think Cliche Bro is a troll.

When I was in PLDC they decided to make us take a psych 101 class. It was some new idea they were trying out but the main point is and the only thing that I remember from the class is the instructor telling us that you should never ask a person Why they're doing something. His rationale was you're immediately putting that person in a position to have to justify themselves to you.

So instead of asking Cliche Bro WHY he feels the need to carry a PDW to the gym. Let's approach it from a different angle.

What problem are we trying to solve here?

What condition makes a PDW the appropriate tool for this situation?

Once we get those questions answered then we can proceed to the hardware solution. Which is almost always the least important variable
 
Might want to do a little more research. The majority of the most dangerous cities in the US are in Shall Issue or Constitutional carry states.

too many large cities with crime problems are in 2a-unfriendly states: boston, hartford, nyc, philly, baltimore, d.c., chicago, l.a., s.f… and there are too many anti-2a mayors, district attorneys and police chiefs in otherwise pro-2a states.
 
So instead of asking Cliche Bro WHY he feels the need to carry a PDW to the gym. Let's approach it from a different angle.

What problem are we trying to solve here?

What condition makes a PDW the appropriate tool for this situation?

Once we get those questions answered then we can proceed to the hardware solution. Which is almost always the least important variable
I agree with the "mission defines equipment" theory.
My first post in this thread posed these questions to the OP:
How are you getting from home to the gym or from work to the gym? If by public transportation I most definitely see a purpose in having a PCC in your backpack.
Where will this bag be when you are working out? In your locker? In the car? or are you going to lug your backpack with Rattler, spare mags, to each station on your workout circuit?
Apparently they were intrusive and not High Road.

This is starting to be a "what gun should I buy next?" thread........where the OP has already decided and doesn't really want opinions, facts or critique.
 
too many large cities with crime problems are in 2a-unfriendly states: boston, hartford, nyc, philly, baltimore, d.c., chicago, l.a., s.f… and there are too many anti-2a mayors, district attorneys and police chiefs in otherwise pro-2a states.
You said "most dangerous cities". I wasn't sure if that meant "the" most dangerous cities or most of the dangerous cities, but either way, the fact remains that by any standard you wish to use, the most dangerous cities in the United States are predominantly in states where anyone who can legally own a firearm can either get a permit to carry one or can do so without a permit.
 
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