Why do folks like SA revolvers still?

Why an SA revolver over DA?

  • Nostalgia

    Votes: 26 18.8%
  • I like the more deliberate way of doing things; a slower pace

    Votes: 39 28.3%
  • Something else

    Votes: 73 52.9%

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By the way, I bought my first SA revolver a few weeks ago, a Cimarron P, the "Man with No Name" version with the rattlesnake grips. I love it. I'm finding the recoil is not as punishing with a stout load on the palm of the hand, but the trigger guard thumps my middle finger pretty good.

It's a lot of fun, and a box of ammo seems to last longer, since it takes longer to shoot, load and extract them.


Howdy Again

I assume you mean a real Colt Bisley, like the one at the bottom of this photo, not the Ruger version of the Bisley grip.

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Huh? What kind of Ruger are you talking about? There are a heck of a lot more than three components, more than in a Colt, and the loading gate spring can be a real pain in the butt to get back in place correctly.

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It is actually quicker, and requires less elbow grease to clean a cartridge revolver that has been fired with Black Powder cartridges then to clean up after Smokeless. Trust me on this. Messier, but quicker and requires less elbow grease.


Not particularly difficult to load cartridges with Black Powder either, if you are set up for it. Here is a batch of 45 Colt cartridges being loaded with Black Powder on my Hornady Lock & Load AP progressive press.

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Bottom line, nothing is as much fun as shooting Black Powder cartridges out of a single action revolver.

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Looking at DJ's pic above, maybe a SA loaded with blackpowder WOULD be a good defense load? Fire one shot, then escape in the smokescreen; ninja-style! :-D
 
yup, “fieldstrip” means just that. frame, cylinder, cylinder retaining rod, i.e. three pieces. simple, easy and non-loseable components.

Actually, with the older Ruger single action revolvers, the cylinder pin could not be removed from the frame. They were designed that way, the cylinder pin could not be removed without removing the ejector housing. So to field strip you would only have two pieces; the frame with the cylinder pin pulled out all the way, but still held in place, and the cylinder. Later, when Ruger introduced the New Vaquero they shortened the cylinder pin, so it can be removed from the frame. So now, if your cylinder pin retaining latch is not doing its job as well as it should, the cylinder pin can jump out of the frame from recoil and get lost in the grass, just like a Colt.
 
By the way, I bought my first SA revolver a few weeks ago, a Cimarron P, the "Man with No Name" version with the rattlesnake grips. I love it. I'm finding the recoil is not as punishing with a stout load on the palm of the hand, but the trigger guard thumps my middle finger pretty good.

Read what I said earlier. If the trigger guard is thumping the knuckle of your middle finger it is because you are cramming your entire hand onto the grip. The trigger guard is in contact with your knuckle. Try curling your pinky under the grip. This will result in lowering your entire hand on the grip a little bit, resulting in a space of about 1/4" between the rear of the trigger guard and your knuckle. I can shoot stout Black Powder 45 Colt loads all day long this way and my knuckle never gets whacked.

Try it.
 
Read what I said earlier. If the trigger guard is thumping the knuckle of your middle finger it is because you are cramming your entire hand onto the grip. The trigger guard is in contact with your knuckle. Try curling your pinky under the grip. This will result in lowering your entire hand on the grip a little bit, resulting in a space of about 1/4" between the rear of the trigger guard and your knuckle. I can shoot stout Black Powder 45 Colt loads all day long this way and my knuckle never gets whacked.

Try it.
I tried it briefly. I found that when I cram my whole hand onto the grip, the felt recoil is lower as the gun swivels up more and I also shoot more accurately.

...BUT, my middle finger gets thumped more.

I'll keep trying, as what you're saying makes sense. I'm a straight-up SA revolver noob with a lot to learn, so it may just be a matter of practice.

It's funny to look at the size of that grip and think it doesn't properly accommodate the pinky. People get subcompact carry guns now and often cite that same lack of accommodation as a disadvantage, compared to a bigger handgun.

I wonder if this translates to compact carry guns to you? Do you not mind having to tuck the pinky below the grip on a subcompact carry gun because of your experience with SA revolvers?
 
Read what I said earlier. If the trigger guard is thumping the knuckle of your middle finger it is because you are cramming your entire hand onto the grip. The trigger guard is in contact with your knuckle. Try curling your pinky under the grip. This will result in lowering your entire hand on the grip a little bit, resulting in a space of about 1/4" between the rear of the trigger guard and your knuckle. I can shoot stout Black Powder 45 Colt loads all day long this way and my knuckle never gets whacked.

Try it.
Huh, I've only shot cowboy spec loads in my Pietta as it's not designed for much more than that and if a 255gr .452 cal bullet at 700fps was good enough for Wyatt Earp then it's good enough for me lol.
 
Huh, I've only shot cowboy spec loads in my Pietta as it's not designed for much more than that and if a 255gr .452 cal bullet at 700fps was good enough for Wyatt Earp then it's good enough for me lol.

Todays cowboy loads are low velocity and generally lighter bullets. In Wyatt Earps days a 45 Colt was more around 900fps with that 250gr bullet. I love shooting my USFA Rodeo 45 with a full case of real black powder.
 
When all your other bases are covered and aesthetics start to matter more to you, you start to have to look to the past to find the beauty and craftsmanship that I enjoy.

Plus I reload and I hate hunting for my brass

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Huh, I've only shot cowboy spec loads in my Pietta as it's not designed for much more than that and if a 255gr .452 cal bullet at 700fps was good enough for Wyatt Earp then it's good enough for me lol.
I used John Taffin's starting load:
  • 255 gr. HiTek-coated SWC "Keith bullet"
  • 7.0 gr. of HP38
SOURCE LINK

It's the one with the Lyman 452424 bullet from this table; a standard load. It's about 900 fps, right around what Smokin Gator and others think Earp would've used. It's more stout than a factory 44 Special out of the same size gun, but you wouldn't mistake it for a factory 44 Magnum, either.

I tell you one other thing: No one was fanning the hammer and making any accurate rapid fire shots with them!

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Todays cowboy loads are low velocity and generally lighter bullets. In Wyatt Earps days a 45 Colt was more around 900fps with that 250gr bullet. I love shooting my USFA Rodeo 45 with a full case of real black powder.
Huh interesting. I've noticed that Hodgdon gives velocity out of a 7.25in barrel and mine is a 4.75in so I'm sure it would be closer to 700fps than 900fps out of my SAA Pietta. I need to chronograph it one of these days...
 
Howdy

The Colt Single Action Army was the direct descendant of the earlier Colt single action Cap & Ball revolvers.

First introduced in 1873, the SAA was in continuous production until 1940, when Colt switched production to making firearms for the War.

After WWII, Colt had no intention of starting up production of the old design, expecting no one would be interested in such an old revolver.

What Colt did not count on was thousands of GIs returning home after the War, going to college and buying homes on the GI bill, and installing televisions in those new homes.

Suddenly Roy Rogers, Hopalong Cassidy, and dozens of other silver screen cowboys were galloping through living rooms in all those new houses.

An enterprising young man named Bill Ruger introduced a small, 22 caliber single action revolver in 1953. There was so much pent up demand that Ruger could not produce enough Single Sixes to satisfy the demand.

In 1955 Ruger introduced a full sized 357 Magnum single action revolver.

In 1956 Colt finally saw the handwriting on the wall and started making the Single Action Army again.

Yes, it is absolutely a generational thing.

I used to love watching all the old Westerns on TV when I was a kid. Gunsmoke, Have Gun Will Travel, Sugarfoot, Cheyenne, Bonanza, and Maverick to name a few.

I will be 72 in a few days.

I bought my first single action revolver, a replica of the Colt Navy Cap & Ball revolver in 1968.

I started collecting and shooting single action revolvers, reliving my childhood fantasies about 20 years ago.

If a single action revolver thumps your hand, you are not holding it correctly. Too many novices try to cram their entire hand onto the grip and hold it with a vice like grip.

I learned a long time ago to curl my pinky under the grip, hold it relatively lightly, and allow the revolver to rotate up in recoil. Then bring it down and cock the hammer for the next shot.

Trust me on this.

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Driftwood, I got 12 years on you. Radio was my thing, Tom Mix, Cisco, Lash LaRue Johnny Mack Brown, Roy and Gene, Tex Ritter etc . You get the idea. Gotta love it,
 
Single action is a pretty robust design.

Especially nice is big bore, as well as the 22lr.
 
Huh interesting. I've noticed that Hodgdon gives velocity out of a 7.25in barrel and mine is a 4.75in so I'm sure it would be closer to 700fps than 900fps out of my SAA Pietta. I need to chronograph it one of these days...

The ammo that is loaded commercially specifically for cowboy action shooting (SASS) is generally lower velocity and lighter bullets. Most shooters who reload for SASS also reload on the lighter side, but not everyone. A full case of quality black powder
will get you in that 800 to 900fps range depending on individual guns and barrel lengths. I've seen lots of shooters who have a 45 Colt clone/Colt who seek out "cowboy" ammo because they know its milder shooting. I just got some 45Colt black powder lubed bullets in the mail an hour ago.
 
The ammo that is loaded commercially specifically for cowboy action shooting (SASS) is generally lower velocity and lighter bullets. Most shooters who reload for SASS also reload on the lighter side, but not everyone. A full case of quality black powder
will get you in that 800 to 900fps range depending on individual guns and barrel lengths. I've seen lots of shooters who have a 45 Colt clone/Colt who seek out "cowboy" ammo because they know its milder shooting. I just got some 45Colt black powder lubed bullets in the mail an hour ago.
Yeah I have loaded with a max charge of Titegroup and a 250gr bullet and it had not much recoil at all honestly. It's supposed to do mid 800s out of a 7in barrel so it's not fast by any means but it does let you shoot a lot easier. I think I will stick with the basic loadings for the time being as I have a 45-70 Marlin if I want to punish myself lol. Now that will wake you up!
 
I carry a Ruger new model single action daily. Aside from it being my only center fire handgun, it was still my choice when I have had others. There is something about them I prefer. Something about them that’s fascinating, though they are simple in operation.
 
There's nothing like a 44-40 filled with black powder. especially on a calm day with a drizzly rain. The smoke hangs in the air like an aromatic fog.

I only have a Marlin 44-40 rifle as far as 44-40s go. 44 special and 45Colt revolvers. I do have a Marlin cowboy 26" 45-70 but have only shot smokeless (maybe 20 rounds of bp) through it. Real bp in the others.
 
Huh, I've only shot cowboy spec loads in my Pietta as it's not designed for much more than that and if a 255gr .452 cal bullet at 700fps was good enough for Wyatt Earp then it's good enough for me lol.

Don't kid yourself. The C.I.P. pressure standard (European) for the 45 Colt is 16,000 psi and firearms produced by European manufacturers such Pietta and Uberti are required to be proofed at 1.3x the pressure standard. That means your Pietta was proofed at around 20,000 psi and is plenty strong enough for any "Standard" 45 Colt factory load or 14K psi handloads duplicating the ballistics of the original load.

Regarding the knuckle-bashing, first, I'm not a fan of the pinky-under-the-grip method. I'm sure it's fine for close range, informal shooting, but it's a bit difficult to effectively control the recoil generated by a .45 caliber 250 gr. bullet. Second, SA revolvers are more effectively controlled, and knuckles not bashed, when the revolver is held such that the barrel is aligned with the forearm. Doing so not only moves the rear of the trigger guard away from the knuckle of the middle finger, but it causes more grip-to-palm contact which aids in controlling the revolver. Try it.

35W
 
Don't kid yourself. The C.I.P. pressure standard (European) for the 45 Colt is 16,000 psi and firearms produced by manufacturers such Pietta and Uberti are required to be proofed at 1.3x the pressure standard. That means your Pietta was proofed at around 20,000 psi and is plenty strong enough for any "Standard" 45 Colt factory load or 14K psi handloads duplicating the ballistics of the original load.

Regarding the knuckle-bashing, first, I'm not a fan of the pinky-under-the-grip method. I'm sure it's fine for close range, informal shooting, but it's a bit difficult to effectively control the recoil generated by a .45 caliber 250 gr. bullet. Second, SA revolvers are more effectively controlled, and knuckles not bashed, when the revolver is held such that the barrel is aligned with the forearm. Doing so not only moves the rear of the trigger guard away from the knuckle of the middle finger, but it causes more grip-to-palm contact which aids in controlling the revolver. Try it.

35W
Huh, I will have to check into some hotter loads that are still within the standard psi range. Thanks!
 
Read what I said earlier. If the trigger guard is thumping the knuckle of your middle finger it is because you are cramming your entire hand onto the grip. The trigger guard is in contact with your knuckle. Try curling your pinky under the grip. This will result in lowering your entire hand on the grip a little bit, resulting in a space of about 1/4" between the rear of the trigger guard and your knuckle. I can shoot stout Black Powder 45 Colt loads all day long this way and my knuckle never gets whacked.

Try it.
had the same issue. tried different grips on a Model 10, could not find anything that worked and the service grips would hammer my finger with the trigger guard. I did a lot to try to figure it out, and it came down to just working on my grip, and not having my finger up against the trigger guard. larger aftermarket grips were more compfortable to shoot, but the muzzle flip was unappealing. to the OP, yeah - it is your grip, get your finger off the back of the trigger guard.
 
I like a single action revolver because I usually shoot my double action revolvers in SA anyway, so why not get a gun that’s made for that type of shooting? And why do I shoot my DA guns in SA? Because I’m shooting at a target so I can take some time and aim, and a nice single action pull is going to be more conducive to accuracy than a heavy DA pull. These days if I’m going for speed/“tactical” style shooting I’d rather use a semi-auto anyway, so no need for a heavy pull on the revolvers.
 
I was just looking through my reloading notebook.

I have some old velocity data.

45 Colt:

Apparently a case full of Goex FFg under a 250 grain bullet was averaging 704 fps out of a Colt SAA with a 7 1/2" barrel.

My standard Smokeless load, 7.5 grains of Unique under a 250 grain bullet was averaging 801 fps out of a 7 1/2" Ruger Vaquero.

Mostly I shoot 44-40 in rifles. A full case of Goex FFg under a 200 grain bullet was averaging 1015 fps out of an Uberti replica of the Winchester Model 1873 with a 24" barrel.
 
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