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As I mentioned in another thread, I think the issue of braces on handguns will eventually force me to get a tax stamp for my Extar EP9, which made me consider my Henry .357 Big Boy. It has a threaded barrel and can take a suppressor.

I can't see a suppressor being much help with .357 ammo that is clearly supersonic, but it will take .38 as well and there's a lot of that out there that's subsonic, actually most, I believe. Any, thoughts on this?

In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess.
 
FlSwampRat said:
As I mentioned in another thread, I think the issue of braces on handguns will eventually force me to get a tax stamp for my Extar EP9, which made me consider my Henry .357 Big Boy. It has a threaded barrel and can take a suppressor.

I can't see a suppressor being much help with .357 ammo that is clearly supersonic, but it will take .38 as well and there's a lot of that out there that's subsonic, actually most, I believe. Any, thoughts on this?

In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess.
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If you do. Go all the way.
 
I've been wanting the Henry big boy for awhile but can't find one local. Already have the suppressor just need the host.
 
FlSwampRat said:
As I mentioned in another thread, I think the issue of braces on handguns will eventually force me to get a tax stamp for my Extar EP9, which made me consider my Henry .357 Big Boy. It has a threaded barrel and can take a suppressor.

I can't see a suppressor being much help with .357 ammo that is clearly supersonic, but it will take .38 as well and there's a lot of that out there that's subsonic, actually most, I believe. Any, thoughts on this?

In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess.
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Write your congressman and congresswomen and say no to any restrictions on your rights. If you want to get a stamp for whatever get one, just don’t throw in the towel. A lot of slippery slopes with all of our rights, and the government has way too much lube.
 
Each of my five suppressors was worth it, and four of them are rimfire doppelgängers.
Now they can stay with their host firearms.

I’d get the suppressor stamp now and continue to wait on the pistol brace shenanigans.
I doubt it, but just maybe they will have a grace period of free SBR stamps, or a one time discount for all the braces.
(Now that I’ve said it, it makes sense, so to the .Gov it probably sounds dumb.;))


We’ve all paid a whole lot more for gas lately, and gotten nothing extra for it. At least good fun comes with this tax.:)
 
Back in 1969 - Spring Break - this bunch of goofballs, me included, decided to take a friend's boat out for a trip to Cedar Point Amusement Park. Since it was early Spring, the park wasn't in operation so all you could do was wander around and look at the rides.
We got bored of doing that so we motored over to the Sandusky Boat Club Marina and checked out the bar. We all ordered a beer & they served us without checking IDs - so - we sat there for the next few hours and put down as much beer as we could hold.
Since it was early in the season - the only beer they had in stock in the bar was the local brew - Old Dutch.
Pretty much Drano with suds.

After downing a lot, I waddled out to the boat to pass out. I laid down in the boat - which was rocking and rocking and rocking - ad I felt a bit - well, like I had a belly full of beer that wanted out of my belly....which it did - all over the dock.That was in 1969 and it was the last time I threw up.

The idea of a suppressor on a fine looking lever action though....I'm trying real hard here not to repeat that incident on the dock...

How could you guys even think of doing something like that???!!!!
 
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Back in 1969 - Spring Break - this bunch of goofballs, me included, decided to take a friend's boat out for a trip to Cedar Point Amusement Park. Since it was early Spring, the park wasn't in operation so all you could do was wander around and look at the rides.
We got bored of doing that so we motored over to the Sandusky Boat Club Marina and checked out the bar. We all ordered a beer & they served us without checking IDs - so - we sat there for the next few hours and put down as much beer as we could hold.
Since it was early in the season - the only beer they had in stock in the bar was the local brew - Old Dutch.
Pretty much Drano with suds.

After downing a lot, I waddled out to the boat to pass out. I laid down in the boat - which was rocking and rocking and rocking - ad I felt a bit - well, like I had a belly full of beer that wanted out of my belly....which it did - all over the dock.That was in 1969 and it was the last time I threw up.

The idea of a suppressor on a fine looking lever action though....I'm trying real hard here not to repeat that incident on the dock...

How could you guys even think of doing something like that???!!!!
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It's called function over form...
@MachIVshooter makes some that are both functional and beautiful.
I don't know how to link his threads to show you pics. But it is possible to have a nice suppressed lever.
 
My thoughts are way too much gaslighting about nèeding to stay subsonic to bother suppressing.
Supersonic gunshots are typically well north of 150db and that sound originates at the end of the barrel ~ 3 feet from your ears.
The supersonic crack is typically in the low 130s and happens out in front of the gun downrange a bit.
Sure the Hollywood quiet subsonic is giggle worthy and necessary for stealthy ninja assassins, shooting supers suppressed is still a worthy goal.
For example I have a 12.5" SBR 5.56 with a brake shooting it with just plugs is dang uncomfortable, I have a 9mm K can that I use on it because it keeps the OAL very short and it's loud suppressed, but it's pleasant to shoot with just plugs and not terribly uncomfortable to shoot without ear pro.
 
Bfh_auto said:
It's called function over form...
@MachIVshooter makes some that are both functional and beautiful.
I don't know how to link his threads to show you pics. But it is possible to have a nice suppressed lever.
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I think they'd all have to be in my gallery, rather than just uploads. But anyway, here's a few:

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On many of them, especially the 100+ year old critters, I do internal threading with a male-male adapter. This avoids having to move sights & bands or shorten magazines, as well as being able to remove the adapter if I want to display them with original appearance; can't tell they're altered unless you look closely at the muzzle from the front



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As for suppressing .357 magnum, certainly still worth it. Yes, supersonic pistol rounds (or any other round with bigger, more blunt bullets that are supersonic but not really high velocity) will have a pretty obnoxious crack, but it's a heck of a lot less noise than the unsuppressed muzzle blast. Subsonic. 38 loads, on the other hand, are giggle worthy quiet with a decent 9mm can. Not much louder than suppressed .22, but 4x the bullet weight. The Marlin 1894 .357 above with Geco 158 gr .38 spl ammo is one of our favorite hosts.
 
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Even super sonic ammo sounds much better suppressed. 223 sounds about like unsuppressed 22lr. Can't stop the crack but the muzzle report is way quieter.
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Absolutely true! I remember the first time I ever heard a suppressed AR. It was at the shop and Les was test firing one of our ARs. I was surprised at how much quieter the thing was. Still needed hearing protection, of course, but we were in an enclosed room. I suspect outdoors it would be even quieter.
 
Hal said:
The idea of a suppressor on a fine looking lever action though....I'm trying real hard here not to repeat that incident on the dock...

How could you guys even think of doing something like that???!!!!
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I had an original Maxim Silencer Co. brochure, ca 1909. Lever actions and pumps were a good part of their offerings. They would sell you an outfit, thread your barrel, or provide an adapter. The Maxim was eccentric so there were no special tall sights needed.
The Army had a spec for a silenced 1903, but they did not issue as many as they meant to.
 
tark said:
Absolutely true! I remember the first time I ever heard a suppressed AR. It was at the shop and Les was test firing one of our ARs. I was surprised at how much quieter the thing was. Still needed hearing protection, of course, but we were in an enclosed room. I suspect outdoors it would be even quieter.
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The port pop, especially without adjusting the gas system, is going to be enough to offend most ears. I can tolerate a few rounds, but if I'm going to be doing any volume, I put in foamies. The nice thing is that the mediocre protection of earplugs alone is plenty with a can. A carbine or SBR rifle without a can is still well into the danger zone with just earplugs, but the combined reduction of can+ plugs can easily get them down into the 120s or better.

Also a heck of a lot more pleasant for everyone else on the range
 
Pumps I'm ok with but - lever guns?
A great looking lever gun just doesn't look right with a proboscis.
 
Hal said:
Pumps I'm ok with but - lever guns?
A great looking lever gun just doesn't look right with a proboscis.
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So display them and show them off without it!

Other than integrals, not like removing them is a big thing, and blended thread protectors or internal threads disappear any sign of their being used from more than a couple feet away.

I, too, like classic lines with wood and blued or case hardened metal parts on lever guns. I'm not big on the tacticool levers with rails, aluminum furniture, paracord wrap and electronic optics. But suppressors are hardly an anachronism. Remember, cans have been around nearly as long as lever actions. The most popular Winchester and Marlin models only predate the original Maxim silencer patent by a decade and a half, and the production & sale of the Maxim silencer began several years earlier.

For me, there's a functional beauty to them when the can size, shape and style blend well. That's why I built the blued octagonal suppressor for the 1894 .25-20 and run one of our unsanded natural heat treat finish Furtivus cans on the CCH 1893 .25-35:

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Since it is a tax for the stamp shouldn't we be able to take it off of our taxes?
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No, it doesn't work that way. However, the tax can be added to the cost basis of the item for purposes of computing gain or loss on its eventual sale. (And the loss on a personal item is not deductible while the gain is taxable.)
 
So display them and show them off without it!
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I would but, they are all locked up in the safe & the safe is currently buried in a walk-in closet filled with - - stuff - - stuff being things we haven't found a home for yet after the move a month ago.
It's amazing how much stuff can accumulate in 36 years. ;)

I know the silly things were around and probably used on a fair share of lever guns way back when,,,,but,,the image of Lucas McCain smacking himself in the forehead because his .44/40 is now too long to twirl is too much for me!
 
My marlin 357 mag is my favorite host. I load it with subsonic 357's because they cycle better than 38's. Yes, it looks kind of goofy with a low power scope and a can, but oh my it's fun.
 
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