5.7x28 pistol?

Csinn said:

Yes this is an interest too, but I have a ruger pc already that’s good 80-100 yards. We have houses about 200-400 yards around so I try to use shorter range guns as much as possible. We’ve already got complaints from them that they can hear bird shot bbs on their roof( the one at 200 yards the others never complain) but we never aim near any house and bird shot ain’t going 200 yards so I’m not sure what they heard. We just try to be very careful

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In that case, get a beater 18" shotgun and load it with BB or #4 buck.

Bird shot will definitely go 200 yards. I can guarantee that I would only hear that from you once. There is no short range gun if you are pointing it in the wrong direction. Careful is not what you are doing. Grow up.

ericuda said:

Bird shot will definitely go 200 yards. I can guarantee that I would only hear that from you once. There is no short range gun if you are pointing it in the wrong direction. Careful is not what you are doing. Grow up.

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Food for thought.
If I were your neighbor and you come onto my property with that attitude and without a darn good reason you wouldn't like how you leave. A pitter patter of what you assume to be birdshot on your roof from what you assume to be me isn't a very good reason and i'd let you know as much right quick. You come onto my property and get aggressive when I know for a fact, as the OP is stating he does, that I did not fire in the direction your house, you'd be told to leave...then made to leave.
And then we wouldn't be friends. I think people generally prefer to be friends with their neighbors. Life is better when people are friendly. Perhaps you should learn to be more polite upon first approach. This is TheHighRoad, after all.

Csinn said:

At bimart out here in Oregon they had 50 rounds (i can’t remember the brand) for $18. My cousin has tried to use his 9mm but can’t hit anything moving past 15 yards. On the tractor I’ve had them walking 20 yards away. My friend says they are a very flat shooting pistol round. I’m just curious

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If I could get the ammo that cheap I would buy one. I typically see it for around $0.70 to $1 a round.

Larger shot like BB or #2 will certainly go 200 yards but probably doesn’t have enough energy left to do anything. Smaller shot like trap load peters out pretty quick. I’ve seen lots of trap ranges pointed right at a highway only about 200-300 yards away.

I have the FN and the Ruger in this Caliber as well as a .22 Jet, which is about the same. Very loud and hard to reload without feeding issues.

Lots of ammo available locally. 50 rounds for $47.00. But most pistol rounds are close to a buck a shot these days.....

What I would do for a 5.7x28 1911 that was really slim. Ho-hum.

Trashyshoots said:

What I would do for a 5.7x28 1911 that was really slim. Ho-hum.

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The cartridge is too long. You need a Coonan sized 1911. But a very slim one!

Palmetto State Armory just advertized their AAC brand for $29.99 a box. Sold out in minutes so we''ll see if the price goes up.

I believe the new M&P is going to push me into a 5.7.

DukeConnor said:

I believe the new M&P is going to push me into a 5.7.

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I’m with you there. If ammo can be had for $30/box too that makes it better.

Maybe Henry will chamber the new homesteader in 22 TCM .That would be about like a semi-auto 22 hornet .but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it , nor a 30 luger which would be equally cool . Something to consider though , is a .17 HMR semi-auto or lever action with a red dot sight . Fast ,accurate not terribly loud . and not much danger from ricochet .and still give you some range .

I like my PMR 30 for feral cats and ground squirrels. I think the .22 Magnum is light for anything bigger. Some think it's adequate for fox and coyotes with proper shot placement and apparently poachers like it for deer. 5.7 is no doubt better for most applications. Cost of ammo and initial investment in a firearm have kept me away. I think the Ruger is butt ugly, the FN less so. The S&W is the best looking of the bunch.

I had a 5.7 AR upper years ago but never bought any pistol chambered in 5.7. I didn't keep that upper long since it fell between my rimfire AR's and my 223/5.56 uppers.

Yes small calibers such as the 5.7 and HK 4.6 do have their place. But what hampers them is the restrictions placed on the type of rounds that civilians can legally possess.

d2wing said:

Other sources list the velocity of the 5.7x28mm 40 gr round considerably less. around 1600 FPS. I agree that the 5.7x28mm is more powerful. But using advertisements rather than test results is not valid in my book. Also my 22 Mag has a much longer barrel 6.5 inches Velocity is 1400 fps according to Chuckhawk. Still the 5.7 is more powerful. I also have a 22 mag rifle so it makes more sense to me. But then I have better defense pistols than either. It would make sense though to others and because it is reloadable it is attractive.

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My 22TCM runs at almost 1900fps (chronographed) out of the 4” 1911 barrel. It’s a significant upgrade over the 5.7 if it only gets 1600fps.

It IS fun to shoot. It IS extremely loud. AR15 loud. But there’s almost no recoil.

Opinion: You will have to practice with either quite a bit to avoid a bad flinch. If you can do that, either of those is a useful cartridge, as is .22mag.

drband said:

My 22TCM runs at almost 1900fps (chronographed) out of the 4” 1911 barrel. It’s a significant upgrade over the 5.7 if it only gets 1600fps.

It IS fun to shoot. It IS extremely loud. AR15 loud. But there’s almost no recoil.

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This cartridge should get more attention than it does. The verified chrono velocities I've seen are very impressive.

If I got a bottle necked pistol cartridge it would be the 22TCM.

drband said:

My 22TCM runs at almost 1900fps (chronographed) out of the 4” 1911 barrel. It’s a significant upgrade over the 5.7 if it only gets 1600fps.

It IS fun to shoot. It IS extremely loud. AR15 loud. But there’s almost no recoil.

Opinion: You will have to practice with either quite a bit to avoid a bad flinch. If you can do that, either of those is a useful cartridge, as is .22mag.

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Is yours a Rock Island? Are there any others? Looks interesting... darn it...

BreechFace said:

This cartridge should get more attention than it does. The verified chrono velocities are very impressive.

If I got a bottle necked pistol cartridge it would be the 22TCM.

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I agree. It will never happen unless other manufacturers take it up and other companies load ammo for it.
I took it on as an experiment when it was new and really like it. So much that I started reloading it. (Couldn’t afford to shoot as much factory ammo as I wanted to!)

Finding the RIA bullets used to be easy, but they have been unavailable for several years. I just got in some Speer 40gr 22hornet bullets that may work well. That would be a great source.
RIA seems to be making plenty of 22TCM ammo, but the components don’t seem available any more. I will adapt.

DesertFox said:

Is yours a Rock Island? Are there any others? Looks interesting... darn it...

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RIA 1911 4” HC .22TCM/9mm combo. They still sell them, as well as the full size models. It’s also a great shooting 9mm pistol. 17rd mags.

drband said:

RIA 1911 4” HC .22TCM/9mm combo. They still sell them, as well as the full size models. It’s also a great shooting 9mm pistol. 17rd mags.

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Something else I do not need and must have...

DesertFox said:

Is yours a Rock Island? Are there any others? Looks interesting... darn it...

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For anyone considering 22TCM. Here is some additional information that should be understood.

There is 22TCM ammo and there is also 22TCM9R ammo.

The 22TCM was the original loading with a longer COAL that fit into a 1911 sized magazine/magwell.

In efforts to capture a greater market they came out with 22TCM9R ammo that has a shorter COAL so that it could be utilized in Glock sized magazines/magwell (as well as other firearms) with simply a barrel swap to 22TCM9R. The 22TCM9R gives up a bit of performance and it's bullets are seated a bit further into the case than I would like to see for ease of finding bullets and loading for.

I like Glocks, but for me if I'm going to consider a 22TCM/TCM9R it would be the 22TCM and get the most performance and ease of loading and just buy one of the RIA 1911's.

Rock Island has a single stack 1911 22TCM and a double stack 1911 22TCM, depending on what a person wants. I would like to get my hands on a double stack RIA to gauge it's size and see if I would go that route or the single stack.

What's nice is they also make a bolt action rifle that utilizes the double stack RIA 1911 magazines, would make a dandy pair bumming around the ranch or woods.

BreechFace said:

For anyone considering 22TCM. Here is some additional information that should be understood.

There is 22TCM ammo and there is also 22TCMR ammo.

The 22TCM was the original loading with a longer COAL that fit into a 1911 sized magazine/magwell.

In efforts to capture a greater market they came out with 22TCMR ammo that has a shorter COAL so that it could be utilized in Glock sized magazines/magwell (as well as other firearms) with simply a barrel swap to 22TCMR. The 22TCMR gives up a bit of performance and it's bullets are seated a bit further into the case than I would like to see for ease of finding bullets and loading for.

I like Glocks, but for me if I'm going to consider a 22TCM/TCMR it would be the 22TCM and get the most performance and ease of loading and just buy one of the RIA 1911's.

Rock Island has a single stack 1911 22TCM and a double stack 1911 22TCM, depending on what a person wants. I would like to get my hands on a double stack RIA to gauge it's size and see if I would go that route or the single stack.

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Thanks for the addendum! I wouldn't have known otherwise.