close range coyotes with 9mm handgun?

My dog was attacked by a coyote 10 years ago in an urban setting while walking on a leash. The coyote was skinny, weighed no more than 35 pounds. While they were fighting, I kicked the coyote in the ribs, and it did not even stop or hesitate in its attack for a second. I reached down and grabbed it by its rear legs, and it turned and grabbed my left hand, but I hung on to it, and swung it up and over my head in an arc and smashed its head on the pavement. It was like God smacked it. It arched its back and quivered, pissed, **** and died.

My dog was ok except for a small cut on top of his snout, my left hand had three deep punctures, two on top and one on the bottom on the palm. It was very painfull, but I did not seek medical attention, because I was afraid they would quarantine my dog. I took a risk, and it worked in my favor.

My dog lived to be 13 years old, and my hand healed without complications. If I lived in a rural area and coyotes were problematic, I would have no compunction against killing them.

By the way....my screen name! That was my dog, Wriggly. He was a brave loyal companion, and I miss him all the time.

Great story about you and your beloved dog, bro.

An easy solution is to select a dog that would look at the Coyote as the meal...


My long since departed champion blood line Dobie named "Faust." All 105lbs of him. You're looking at the only part of the car he didn't eat...

Here is a much, much better question: Why the hell would you want to shoot a coyote? Have you or anyone that you know or anyone that THEY know ever been attacked or put into an EVEN POTENTIALLY dangerous situation by a coyote? Do you eat coyote?

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I've never been personally attacked, but grew up on a ranch that raised cattle, with neighbors to the east that raised sheep. Coyotes are a constant issue with the sheep, and, to a lesser degree, are a problem with the cattle, especially during calving season. When my family's bottom line is being directly affected by coyote depredation, you can bet I'll shoot...or more precisely...ATTEMPT to shoot every coyote I encounter, whether I'm packing a 9mm, a .22 lr, a.17 hmr, A .243 or my 7 MAG....a calf is worth several hundred dollars potentially. I'm not going to simply feed them to the local coyote population.


There are still some of us who raise livestock, Rotting, and the threat of coyote depredation is entirely real, and not some paranoid fantasy. believe it or not, your hammburger doesn't ORIGNINATE in the local grocery store.....my family, or one like it, raised that beef, and in doing so, protected it from predators. The further removed people get from the realities of farm and ranch life and ruiral living, the more situaitons like this one will come up. I hate to say it, but theres very few people with any real rural connection anymore. The ideas of where our food comes from is becoming lost on entire generations. The reality of rural life is simply incomprehensible for the average city dweller anymore.

Davek1977, nice post. I fully agree with you. Valorius, nice Dobie. Im sure you enjoyed having him.

My only problem with killing coyotes is they look too much like my huskies

9mm will do just fine for coyote, and can even take white tail deer cleanly with premium ammo.

Rotting said:

If that's the way you think, and apply that logic to everything else you do in life, you'd never buy milk at a grocery store for fear of a botulism outbreak, never drive a car for fear of a 18-wheeler crossing the highway and colliding with you head-on, or, more to the point - would spend every waking hour hunting down every bobcat, mountain lion, bear, coyote, fox, wolf, etc. within a 25 mile radius of your and every of your family member's houses.

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By that same logic you would never take preemptive action against any threat. You will wait until something happens and then act to stop it from happening again. That's not good enough for me. I won't wait for one of my pets or family members to get hurt. I know that any coyote within 300 yards of my house is up to no good. Given the chance I will shoot it. I will kill any venomous snake within 100 yards of my house because I don't want them there, period. I place the safety of my family and pets above all else.

Coyotes are cunning, dangerous, vicious animals and should be treated as such. Just a few years ago I had 8 ducks massacred by coyotes at the pond in front of my house (about 100 yards away). If they come around your house they are looking for food, count on it. Don't get caught up in tree hugging ideology and ignore the danger of wild life that doesn't keep its proper distance.

Years ago I owned a place out in the sticks and several acres. Used to like to walk my land at night. Had one of the old 5 cell flashlights and either a .357 or 9mm on me. Had more trouble with feral dogs traveling in packs than coyotes. Either one put them down fine with a head shot. Very seldom required more than one round.

9mm is probably fine for SD. If you're primarily out to thin the pack where the opportunity arises (varminting vs. defense), you could do with even less. Consider carrying w/e gives you the most range on coyote-sized vitals, whether that's your favorite .357 revolver or a .22 target pistol.

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i'll try to cover everyone here:

1. i posted in other sections ( revolver, autoloader, hunting, etc) wanted to get the most input possible. i tend to read the revolver forum alot and not many other ones. figured others may do the same with other forums.

2. i am a farmer ( goats,sheep, horses, chickens, rabbits, cattle, pigs, other foul) in the last 3 weeks we have lost 17 chickens/ducks, 3 sheep.

3. our dogs have been going nuts about 3 in the morning for the last month, so i put in a motion light and waited. sure enough 3:30 light came on and 2 coyotes in our driveway and 1 next to our chicken coop. i have also had them in our yard during the day.
last night while bailing hay i came across 4 of them.

4. i dont go out looking for them , nor do i bait them. if they dont pose a problem at my house i would let them be. the reason for the posts is i dont want to injure/wound i am a believer in a clean kill. if i hit it dies if i miss it walks,no in between.

5. i only hunt when necessary. i have dozens of woodchucks in my fields, weasels, squirrels,other varmints. that have lived there as long as i have. never shot 1, because they are not a problem for me. the only thing i do hunt every year is deer. but im a butcher so all i waste is the white bones. ( and my dogs get them, so no waste.)

hope this paints a better picture of who i am and why i posted the thread in the first place. "

Given this picture, shouldn't you really be using a rifle?

That said, 3.5" barrel should give you enough velocity to use some of those high velocity, light bullet hollow points.

Something like this:
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=118

115 grains around 1300 fps out of your gun should knock them down, and, you should be able to get close enough to finish em.

The coyotes I've seen have all been road kill, but, not very big. 8-10 inches of penetration should be enough, I would think.

The 158gr Fiocchi FMJ is a good round (Euro ammo is typically loaded +P standards, even though they make no such distinction). The only reason i prefer the DT 147gr+P load is because it has a flat nose design.

I have yet to try the DT 147+P. The only reason is I have had good results with the 158 on a few critter encounters. These rounds just plain penetrate.

Now I will admit when I flipped over a box of AE at Cabelas the other day I was a little thrown off to see the velocity was 1150fps. Two of my fellow 9mm believers have fired this ammo and have told me they are indeed hotter than normal 147s. At $14.99 a box of 50 I might go get me some. Cann't hurt any... It has the flat point too.

1150fps is sizzling for 147gr 9mm. The DT load is advertised at 1135fps and about 420fpe of energy.

Do you really need deep penetration on a coyote? They are tiny.

Do you really need deep penetration on a coyote? They are tiny.

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On a Texas heart shot some 9mm loads might not penetrate deep enough and cause a wound that will kill very slow and might motivate it to attack someone if they come up on a half dead coyote. I shot a few yotes on the run in the behind and knowing the ball I carry 95% of the time I am out on the farms will get the job done plenty good enough for any shot I might take on vermin. The 158s I use from time to time will end to end a yote. I have seen other ball loads not fully penetrate on such shots. I have yet to recover a Fiocchi 158 ball projectile. Not all shots are going to be like them well edited (canned) hunts you watch on TV.....

Yes a 9mm will kill a yote, my p85 has taken down a couple within 40 yrds with 1 hit each. my mossberg 12 gauge has taken a few within roughly 20 yards, with a 18.5 inch barrel. And my mossberg .270 has taken many beyond 300 yrds. I get calls to get rid of them, they are killing livestock, pets, and stalking people and children. I will kill a yote on sight, as long as everything else is safe and legal. I have even used a .22m rifle, all I had at the time. If you don't want me killing the yotes, come and get them, take them home with you, less that I and many others have to worry about.

Yes a while back, ' 1-2 weeks" I posted a site where the guy has been hunting medium sized animals with the 9mm for 3-4 decades, there was a lot of great stuff in there about this exact subject. Try the search or I'll try to dig it up. He had become proficient at one shot kills from medium range with the 9mm and discussed the type of wepon and loads he used.

Gym,

Please post the link if you find it, I am interested in reading it.

Was it hipowersandhandguns.com
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Thanks,
Sapper

I sent you the link in a PM

Yes he talks more about white tails jack rabbits and several other critters he has used the 9 on over the years. The other stuff is just about ammo and 9vs45, but the info is there about hunting medium to large sized animals with the 9mm on the farm and ranch

I cut and pasted the info that I thought would be of use to you.
Yet, on animals from the size of Texas whitetail deer to javelina, I have seen the high-velocity 9mm JHP in +P trim demonstrate better than expected "stopping" and "killing power." This includes both 115-gr. +P loads from Corbon as well as the Federal +P+ 115-gr. law enforcement loads. Yet neither penetrates the mandated 12" minimum in ballistic gelatin. The Corbon frequently hits around 1400 ft/sec from my Hi Powers with the Federal version about 50 to 60 ft/sec behind. Either of these two 9mm rounds get around 10" penetration in gelatin, falling shy of the FBI's original penetration requirements. At the same time, in the animals I've shot with these loads, damage has been more than expected. People I've visited with who used these against human aggressors have spoken only of the round's actually decking their opponents with but one to two shots. I have heard almost repeat versions of this with the fast-stepping 185-gr. Corbon .45 ACP +P. It usual
I do not believe that a fringe hit with the best .45 ACP load (whatever that is) will be superior to a better-placed hit with 9mm expanding loads.
My 9mm with the rounds mentioned, performed precisely the same with regard to "stopping" the tough little animals. The XTP bullets normally go to about 1.5 x caliber and are not considered aggressive expanders. They are frequently shunned as defense loads because of this and concerns about overpenetration. In the javelina, straight-on broadside shots usually resulted in complete penetration. Angling quartering shots usually showed 12 to 14" penetration and very uniformly expanded 9mm bullets.


Neither my companions nor myself observed any differences in "stopping power" between the 9mm and .45 ACP on these "devil pigs." Yet I know that the .45 with these expanding bullets must leave a larger permanent wound channel. I do not insinuate that the observations made necessarily exactly translate to human targets, but I do note that there absolutely was not the difference in effect that some might lead us to have expected.
The Texas whitetail deer I've shot with 9mm, 38 Super, .44 Special, .45 Colt and .45 ACP have been pretty uniform in their responses to being shot. A few were instantly incapacitated and never got to their feet; they kicked a bit and then were done. Most jumped, ran a few yards and then keeled over. This is what I've seen time and again with these calibers. I have not used the big magnums considered more appropriate for this type activity so I cannot accurately comment on them. The interesting thing to me is that these smallish 110-lb. animals reacted essentially the same way whether hit with a 124-gr. 9mm XTP at 1240 ft/sec or a handloaded 255-gr. CSWC @ 900 ft/sec from the .45 Colt revolver! Those shot with 230-gr. Golden Sabers handloaded to about 950 ft/sec reacted most similarly to the ones shot with my 38 Super's 147-gr. Golden Saber at just under 1200 ft/sec! (Please note that I am not recommending any of these calibers for "deer hunting." These shots were all at close range and took place over a period of years with more shots passed than taken.) I cannot explain why the effects were almost always so similar, only that this is what was seen, and submit that perhaps there is more to the equation than simply expansion and penetration.



I am assuming that this same weight and size animal will respond as the coyote would. Good luck and happy hunting

Deltaboy said:

Yes I have killed many with a 22 Rifles! I am a Shoot on site guy with the Yotes.

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How about a .22 pistol with HP's (High Velocity)? I carry one of those around on my property and hope I see our local coyote someday.....

Better yet, I see him from the house and can get my .22 rifle scope on him...

Hoping the .22 rounds would at least scare him off?

I've used 9mm on a coyote. Worked great, was about 10-15 yards away. I was using 124 +p gold dot.

If all I had was a 9mm I would want it loaded with light weight +P+ JHPs. That combination would certainly do the job.

But there are better options available such as the 38 Super, 357 Sig, 357 Magnum and 10mm Auto.

I personally carry a G20 10mm around the ranch. So far the only opportunity I've had at a coyote with it was a clean miss on my part. Next to using an adequate bullet, accuracy is very important because the kill zone on a coyote is VERY small.

I shot this fox at about 8 yards out my truck window one night coming up my driveway.

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Here is proof on a young coyote with mange.
He was dispatched with my Glock 17
I was using Federal 9mm bple9 +p+
It was one shot drt 25yds.
9mm just ain't powerful enough

wow rotting u are seriously a tree hugger who is probably against guns and only on this site to bash people we dont have the problem where i am but we have hogs which are as bad if u ask me always eating crops and killing pets and are known more to charge a person than run from them because people dont kill them and scare them enough to know to run me on the other hand if i see one and he runs i still shoot at him he is a varmint if i just knick him and hes bleeding im good with that too cause another animal prolly a coyote will get him now dont get me wrong i aim to kill but if for some reason i dont get a drt shot a injury is enough to satisfy me