remmington rand 1911

Are we talking a new production Remington R1....or are we talking an old school military GI issue 1911?

Cheers
Mac.

remington rands were excellent 1911's. much better quality than the current R1's made by Remington corp. congrats.

If he is talking an original Remington Rand .....old school GI....then YES...good stuff.

I just wrapped up working on a current R1...with a multitude of problems. Improperly cut frame feed ramp.. loose ejector...burrs on the locking lugs in the slide...loose breech... and a big gnarly burr under the slide preventing the case heads from sliding up the breech face and a WAY too tight and improperly shaped extractor.

I had high hopes from Remington on the new R1.. I am unimpressed that they aren't on par with the 700 rifles. I had hopes they would take all the production 1911 to task and show them how it is done. Not the case.

It is full of MIM parts and sub standard workmanship. Pretty bad when a new gun won't even feed FMJ 230 ammo.

It also has a rather unsightly seam right smack up the middle of the front strap...and down the middle of the trigger guard.

Come on guys.....seriously....This is a REMINGTON....look at the name on the outside of the building...then go back inside and get your stuff <edited -- Sam> together.

On an good note...it comes in a very NICE carry box.

Cheers
Mac.

Thanks Sam for pulling out my conversational expletive remark. I apologize to any and all that may have been offended by my terminology. "Stuff" is a better word than I chose in the passion of making a reply. ....Mac.

^^my thoughts exactly. all the R1's i've looked at have consistently poor quality of parts and craftsmanship. can't believe people are paying $600+ for that POS.

Two different companies. Remington Rand was a typewriter company. Remington is a firearm company. (Loosely stated)
Joe

Back in the late 70's my dad got one in a trade. It came with everything except the frame. All wrapped up in brown paper and covered in cosmoline, untouched by human hands. he gave it to me in 86 and I put it together on a Springfield national match frame. Now, I know ya'll refer to that as a parts gun, but it's the most accurate pistol I've ever seen, as it is all hand fitted. Not to mention it fits snuggly under my pillow.

It came with everything except the frame.

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It was a lot easier to pilfer the parts instead of a whole gun or a parts set with the frame. They kept a lot closer track of the serial numbered frame/gun. Most of the "lunch box special" guns you hear about are really pilfered guns with the serial numbers illegaly deleted.

I had a college classmate who kept a nice little wooden box with the Remington UMC parts set his Grandfather had stolen from the plant or armory. I told him about Essex frames and he was overjoyed that he would be able to finish out Grandpa's gun.

Mac said:

I just wrapped up working on a current R1...with a multitude of problems. Improperly cut frame feed ramp.. loose ejector...burrs on the locking lugs in the slide...loose breech... and a big gnarly burr under the slide preventing the case heads from sliding up the breech face and a WAY too tight and improperly shaped extractor.

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Sadly, this is what I actually expected when I strated hearing of a $600 1911-style gun from Remington about 18 months/ two years ago. I hoped for better, but the facts are if you are going to go for a price point like that and you are new to the 1911 game, you are either going to eat costs for a while or deliver a sub-standard product. Looks like they chose the "low road" and not the high one. Bummer.

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It was a lot easier to pilfer the parts instead of a whole gun or a parts set with the frame.

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Yes, it's my understanding about everything was also provided as parts except the frame. Sometimes I see on Gunbroker and the like a WWII 'replacement' frame, supposedly NOS unused. It's my understanding there was no such thing. I actually saw one sell on GB a few months back for near $600, a supposedly NOS WWII frame. It was clear from the photos it was refinished and the stampings were wrong. it was an obvious fake. Still, somebody paid $600 for a fake claiming to be a WWII frame. Fools and their money...

The speculators have really opened up a can of worms the way they have driven the prices of what we used to call "army surplus" out of sight. Lots of opportunity for fraud.

A family member of mine has one of them. Good guns. There's not a ton of them out there as they were only made for a few years. His is in good shape but the bluing has a good amount of wear on it. It's a nice shooter.

Jolly Rogers said:

Two different companies. Remington Rand was a typewriter company. Remington is a firearm company. (Loosely stated)
Joe

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also different than Remington Shavers, although all three of them have their roots in the same E. Remington and Sons company formed in 1816

Who making their parts for them . I tried to get a answer in May at NRA convention and they would not say . Can't be Armscore or Metro Arms (American Classic) Both of them make a good quality pistol. For less money.
I was not impressed with the display models at show.

I owned a Remington Rand 1911 back in the early 1970's -

I now own several ARMSCOR 1911's (RIA) and I find them to be much bettter guns.

FWIW, I bought the RR for around $175, including a box of WWII issue ammo.


mark

Remington Rand manufactured typewriters. Guns have something in common with mechanical typewriters, namely that they consist of precisely machined metal parts carefully fitted together. And a typewriter is far more complex than a gun, so making a gun should have been a piece of cake by comparison. (The same could be said of the Singer sewing machine.)