Hot 10mm loads - current discussion....

Have you looked at Buffalo Bore?

screw BB, they use crappy Montana gold bullets and charge WAY too much.

some people have reported lower than advertised velocity from Doubletap

there is a new player in the 10mm arena, Swampfox ammo, I just ordered some ammo from them and will run their 200gr XTP back to back with DT through my new chronograph when i get a chance.

So far Swampfox is getting rave reviews from what I hear.

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I think your critiques of Doubletap and Buffalo Bore are way off. They offer great ammo that you really cannot get anywhere else. DoubleTap has the advantage of being cheaper, and, incidentally, they are big 10mm proponents. I shoot both company's ammo through my 1006, and use their heavy .45LC and .357 ammo as well. I think it is great stuff, but obviously too pricey for plinking.

I have never heard of Swampfox, but they definitley do not offer the hotloaded hardcast ammo that would be appropriate for bear, which both BB and DT do, in many calibers. And Swampfox does not seem to be any cheaper than DT. I am not against Swampfox, but they have a ways to go before they are offering anything to compete with Doubletap.

You could allways do like i did with DT and order direct. I only found a couple prices cheaper by 2 dollers and none in stock and some even higher priced than from DT direct for 44mag ammo. My crony reads real close to there advertize high FPS in my revolver 1510fps average for 6 rounds on a advertized 1550. Check what you get from most big factory producers out of a test barrel and you will not match many for velocity. I have found that fed, win, rem don't often meet adverticeing specs.

JoelSteinbach said:

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reloading for the 10mm and 40 S&W so many choices. From tame to hot.

I think your critiques of Doubletap and Buffalo Bore are way off

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they are indeed spot on, i dont know how you could think otherwise?

Reed's makes good stuff...unfortunately 10mm is not always available. Contact them to find out if and when they will have it in stock. They are real good at getting back to you.

Doubletap is top notch stuff. Think Black Hills quality, just not produced in the quantities. Very little in the way of complaints with Mike McNett's stuff. His 180 gr Gold Dot load is my preferred defense load. For black bears and general hunting/ trail protection, I would go with the 200 gr XTP. Maybe one of the heavier hardcast loads if you have a conventionally rifled aftermarket barrel and are carrying it solely for black bears. If you have a 10mm, you have to check out Double Tap.

I've also heard good things about Georgia Arms.

I avoid Buffalo Bore mostly because they market +P .40 S&W, which I find ethically sketch at best. It's misleading, unsafe, and any company willing to do that isn't getting my money.

I consider CorBon's 10mm loads more medium range than full power. They seem to download their ammo some, IMO to make their .400 CorBon look more impressive than it really is. My standby medium range load is the 175 gr Winchester Silvertips. They seem to do alright when I don't have Doubletap or good handloads on hand.

DoubleTap stuff has worked well for me. The 200g XTP load is a real monster. Here are some tests... http://brasstard.com/2010/01/11/in-review-10mm-auto-from-doubletap/

Of course, rolling you own is really the way to go.

At any rate, if bears are a genuine issue, you need to get the hottest, heaviest hardcast loads you can find, from whatever source. Skip the softpoints and hollowpoints; you need penetration and bone-breaking, non-deforming slugs.

If you own and shoot a 10mm you won't get the full pleasure out of it untill you start reloading. It's a dream come true.........you can tailor it to do whatever you want. I shoot a S&W 1006 and it has become my favorite at the range.

I found Double Tap to be WAY overpriced for what you get.

I use Winchester Silver Tips (lower load than DT or Buffalo Bore) and Buffalo Bore. If you get the old BB, they use Speer Gold Dots, which I'm a big fan of. You can feel the extra recoil in BB vs DT or Silver Tips. I use and highly recommend them.

I want to know what powder and primers BB and DT use to achieve their velocities. I roll my own, mostly with Winchester AutoComp or Alliant Power Pistol; good powders that don't come very close. Blue Dot comes the closest to hitting DT & BB numbers, but it's still about 100-200 fps less.
Anyone know what they use?

wow6599, They say that they use non canister grade propellants.......... which means that they may indeed be using "Power Pistol" or "4756" or whatever but it isn't the same as the stuff you buy in small containers-they have to work up their loads based upon the behavior of their particular bulk lot.
As for "Hot" 10mms I haven't chronoed Bitterroot Valley Ammunition Company's stuff. It may not be smokin' like DT or BB but it isn't 10mm lite (based upon recoil). It certainly is comparatively inexpensive.

Double Tap

MTMilitiaman said:

For black bears and general hunting/ trail protection, I would go with the 200 gr XTP.

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And that's exactly what I do when I'm in the wilds of my northern retreat, or in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. It is also the load that shoots best out of my G29, so I'm a happy camper.

swampfox ammo is pretty much it for full power 10mm that achieves it's advertised velocity AND doesn't send you crappy montana gold jhp's.

buffalo bore achieves it's velocities, but uses montana gold bullets and is obscenely overpriced.

DT can fall up to 200 FPS short of it's advertised velocities, and uses montana gold jhps.

swampfox uses hornady xtp, winchester silvertip, and golden saber jhp's. their ammo also meets or exceeds slightly it's advertised velocity.

I have some BB that is loaded with Gold Dots and I have only good things to say about them.

I would be very disappointed to hear that they have changed over to an off-brand bullet.

Full Metal Jacket said:

swampfox ammo is pretty much it for full power 10mm that achieves it's advertised velocity AND doesn't send you crappy montana gold jhp's.

buffalo bore achieves it's velocities, but uses montana gold bullets and is obscenely overpriced.

DT can fall up to 200 FPS short of it's advertised velocities, and uses montana gold jhps.

swampfox uses hornady xtp, winchester silvertip, and golden saber jhp's. their ammo also meets or exceeds slightly it's advertised velocity.

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all the dt i got in 10mm is nosler, barnes or hard cast. maybe you should look at what your ordering before you order?

all the dt i got in 10mm is nosler, barnes or hard cast. maybe you should look at what your ordering before you order?

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They did try to sneak MG bullets in to more than a few customers, I think they may have got their act together now though.

all the dt i got in 10mm is nosler, barnes or hard cast. maybe you should look at what your ordering before you order?

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**facepalm*

why don't you order yourself a bunch off gold dot from them

only ever ordered gold dots in .40, not that it would matter, and they were well, gold dots.

whats their regular jhp, mt gold?

whats their regular jhp, mt gold?

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both BB and DT just took gold dots & hornady XTP's off their websites only a few weeks ago, after sending people montana gold bullets for almost a year while still advertising gold dots & XTP's.

so, unless you order golden saber, or barnes x, or hard cast, you're getting montana gold now. (which royaly suck)

there's a bunch of threads about it on various forums, that's how i found out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsGnDtgVHc0

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1178403

the owner of DT (mike mcnett) is a mod on several 10mm forums, and hasn't been online at all to address the multitude of complaints.....

false advertisement is of course messed up. the OP wanted a woods load and after watching that video the montana gold round might be a good choice for people shooting pistols that lead heavy. for regular cc two legged situations though i agree complete garbage.