Are HK pistols worth the money?

thats rich!

Stevie-Ray, Would you mind naming that 3" 1911 that has worked so well for you ?

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Kimber Ultra CDP. My primary carry for 7 years now.

I was reading that one of the reasons HK guns are so expensive is due to Germany's export laws and policies being pretty tough and it cost a lot to export firearms to the US (around the world).

I am trying to find the article, but not having any luck.

Never argue with a fan-boy of any weapon brand. Especially HK fan-boys.

boomstik45 said:

Never argue with a fan-boy of any weapon brand. Especially HK fan-boys.

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And don't ever tell them a $150.00 Hi Point will hurl the same bullet just as far and probably just as accurately.

I've only owned but one: a full-sized USP 40. I bought it back in the late 90's. I carried it as a duty gun for a long while. I've never had even a single malfunction with it. If pressed to find something to criticize, maybe I'd say the checkering was a little aggressive. I don't even remember what I paid for it, but I've enjoyed owning and shooting it for well over a decade. Amortized over that period of time, the several hundred dollars I paid for it is trivial. So, yes, it was well worth it.

I appreciate HKs because they seem to work and work well. Each model seems to be thought-out, and well engineered. There are other manufactures, which have had more recalls, more "frame-updates", and new models which weren't tested properly before those models were put on the shelves. While HKs may not be perfect, you can just about guarantee that an HK product has been properly engineered and manufactured before it is marketed. HK puts more effort into R&D, engineering and manufacuring standards than most other manufactures; at least it appears that way.

In a time when you hear of Sig's standards dropping, Glock's problems with Gen 4, etc., HK's standards have remained high. That's why I keep purchasing HKs.

That's the most reasonable pro-HK statement I've read/heard in a while....

No better than anyone else

My experience with H&K's is that they have some problems. They rust and the details on their pins were not done.

At my job, we are issued H&K P2000 pistols in .40 S&W. At the range, two officers were unable to fire their weapons due to corrosion. These guns were carried in a salt water environment and and rusted shut. It was not discovered till they tried to qualify.

The other problem I discovered myself. When trying to reassemble my P2000 after a cleaning, the slide would not go on. It took a close exam to find that the pins at the rear of the slide had backed out enough to prevent reassembly.
At the range, several others had the same problem.

I still carry the P2000 and it is still works fine, but H&K is no better than any of the other top of the line companies.

Jim

Are HK pistols worth the money?

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Call me crazy but I voted,

[X] Yes.

My 45C is by far the best forty five I have ever owned.

Scary accurate.
One hundred percent reliable.
Scary fast.

-and-

The tactical is just too fun to shoot when suppressed.

I'm happy and satisfied with the price and performance of each of the six HKs I've purchased and used. All have performed as expected.

One of the guys I work with just purchased a USP Tactical, and so far it has been nothing but problems, its ammo picky, won't run dry, and I think it feels worse in my hand than my Glock 21. I personally wouldn't spend the money on one, but that is just me.

I just got my LNIB HK USP 45 today. Haven't shot it yet, but it seems to be a very high quality piece. I like the frame mounted combination safety/decocker. The DA trigger pull is tough, the SA is so-so, I'd say roughly comparable to a stock Glock, just different.

Sure feels solid and I much prefer the ergonomics to a Glock 21/21SF. Can't pass judgement yet, only range time will tell. I didn't vote, to soon to say.

BTW, got it off GB, looks practically new, $555.00 delivered.

One of the guys I work with just purchased a USP Tactical, and so far it has been nothing but problems, its ammo picky, won't run dry, and I think it feels worse in my hand than my Glock 21. I personally wouldn't spend the money on one, but that is just me.

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I've never heard of an HK being ammo sensitive. I'm not saying it isn't true in your case, I've just never heard of it.

You need to OWN one to fully understand the greatness these pistols possess. I vote "YES"

To many yahoos on this site make there determinations based on......dahh "I shoot my friends pistol" SORRY aint good enough. Oh btw did I vote "Yes"

To many yahoos on this site make there determinations based on......dahh "I shoot my friends pistol" SORRY aint good enough. Oh btw did I vote "Yes"

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So your saying how they shoot isn't what makes them great?

I was reading that one of the reasons HK guns are so expensive is due to Germany's export laws and policies being pretty tough and it cost a lot to export firearms to the US (around the world).

I am trying to find the article, but not having any luck.

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Another reason they're expensive is probably because they pay their employees a decent wage in Germany, not like the average gun makers people compare them to these days (Czech, Brazil, etc.). When the employees get paid 4-8 times as much as the cheap gunmakers that most people buy from, it's gonna end up being a more expensive gun.

Worth it?

My vote is yes. The only one I currently own is a P7 PSP that I waited too long to buy. I had a P2000sk but really didn't see much advantage over my Glocks in. 357. The P7 would have been worth twice the price to me.

One of the guys I work with just purchased a USP Tactical, and so far it has been nothing but problems, its ammo picky, won't run dry, and I think it feels worse in my hand than my Glock 21. I personally wouldn't spend the money on one, but that is just me.

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6 posts? HK bashing with no proof? I smell a troll.

I have a USP Tactical that has never malf.ed that ran dry as a bone the first time i took it out to the range. I've shot it with different hollow points and fmj with no probs. So what I'm saying is we need actual proof or at least more details of the types of malfunctions or they didn't happen. IF you are telling the truth, you need to tell your friend to ssend it back to HK and have them fix it because USPs are meant to be deadnuts reliable with any ammo out of the box.

The only HK I own is a USP 40 that I purchased back in 1994. Though I like the pistol, in terms of examining the three main elements involved in the making of it (like the manufacture of most every other kind of hard good), design, material and workmanship; I find little to merit the relative high cost of it, or that of most HK products or most any other "high end", mass-produced firearm (SIG comes to mind) for that matter.
There are other factors that have to do with the cost of making a product and the cost of selling it, of course; to mention a few: country of origin (which often determines the cost of labor), liability insurance, overseas shipping, import/export fees, advertising budget, research/development costs, volume of sales, marketing research, distributor/dealer markups and/or markdowns, etc. But just in terms of design, material and workmanship; when I lay my HK or SIG (Models 220 and 226) pistol next to my CZ 85 or Beretta 92 pistol (or any Glock or Springfield XD pistol, for that matter), I'm sorry, I just don't see the justification for the hundreds of dollars of difference in price between them.
We are fortunate to live in a democratic, capitalistic society. If HK (or SIG) can sell pistols that are "over-priced" and people are willing to buy them, well, I say, "More power to them!" There are plenty of choices out there, from Hi-Points to Korths, and the market will continue to dictate availability and costs; supply and demand.
So, to answer the op's question: "Are HK pistols worth the money?"-the answer to me is, some people seem to think so and I guess, in the end, that's all that really counts.

6 posts? HK bashing with no proof? I smell a troll.

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You might have a point, if the other 5 posts were related to the negative one.

I say he is just new.

At the range, two officers were unable to fire their weapons due to corrosion. These guns were carried in a salt water environment and and rusted shut. It was not discovered till they tried to qualify.

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Whoa, I'd have to hear the complete story on that one. The ONLY way that I wouldn't lay blame on the operators are if those weapons rusted from the last time they had to clean them, which should have been within at least 12-24 hours. Even in combat, you must clean your weapon, if only to give it a wipedown and re-lube, no discussion. When I was in Iraq it was a constant struggle to make sure soldiers will do that. Any weapon can rust, and I mean any. That's why you must maintain them. If I had a soldier under my control that showed up to a range (especially in corrosive environment) with a weapon rusted shut, there would have been no discussion, except for the UCMJ Article 15 reading by his commander.

^ I think the point he may have been trying to make was for the "My gun is worth twice as much as yours" crowd; that the gun that costs half as much as an HK would probably have functioned under the same conditions.

Hilarious!!! I wonder who the ad agency was who prepped for and took the photo!!

A close buddy carries a .40S&W HK and loves the thing. I shot it a few times but the checkering on the front of the grip was uncomfortable, at least to me.