I think some people need to calm down

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Hi guys. I just think SOME people are a little to paranoid when it comes to gun control. All you have to do is: be NRA or other org. member, vote, protest anti-gun bills. Worrying every second about your guns isnt going to help any thing. It will just cause grey hairs.

Plus, I highly doubt that they will ever ban guns.

a) we have it in our constitution and supreme court 4/5 people agreeded to it.
b) EVERY ONE owns a gun
c) this country was built on guns, guts, god and glory
NO one can take that away.


Have a nice day, god bless the land of the free AND ALWAYS FREE
Thank you,
-Josh
 
Easy to say when you live in one of the few nations that actually still allows regular people to easily obtain firearms.


Virtually everything you stated could have been said for England just over 100 years ago.
They have even been declared to have a right to keep and bear arms a couple different times, and it has been trampled sometime later each time.
The ideas and resulting freedoms of John Locke went from being widely held in England to virtually unheard of.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689
Less than 100 years before our own Bill of Rights was created.


Mexico has a right to arms in their Constitution made after the revolution, but the reality of that right has since been trampled so that they have no such right.



Many nations, people, and cultures have lost their ability to readily acquire arms in the last century.
The nations we share a similar legal system to have stripped most firearm freedoms from their people in relatively recent times.
Australia, the UK, Canada to a good extent.



Most of the world has never actually "banned" firearms. They just restrict their acquisition, storage, use, type, etc etc to such an extent that only a small minority of the population both can and are willing to jump through every hoop necessary to keep and maintain the privilege. Concepts of self defense become so lacking, and its practice so rare that many who do on rare occasion defend themselves, even in their own homes, like is legally done in the USA, often go to prison.
Never mind concepts of deterring or resisting tyranny.
 
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I actually agree with you OP. I believe in all states, with the exception of California and Massachusetts, gun laws have become a lot less restrictive over the past few decades.

I think people here are just trying to stay vigilant... I dunno.
I do know you probably won't make many friends here with that attitude. :p
 
The last two SCOTUS appointees are certain that the COTUS does not protect an individual's RKBA. One more like them and it's gone.

Les
 
Have a nice day, god bless the land of the free AND ALWAYS FREE
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the problem is that this mentality has been lost... There are a lot of people (voting people) who blindly follow what the government has to say and are unable to think for themselves. Obama (THE PRESIDENT) says that the recession is over, it must be, he certainly couldnt/wouldnt say it if it wasnt true right? Obama (THE PRESIDENT) says that the an unemployment rate of 10 percent is a good thing because it isnt 11 percent.. you know, he's right!!.... things must be getting better.

I am not saying that feds are going to come in the darkness of night to break in and steal your guns, but the current admin, if given their way, would LOVE to make it more difficult to purchase, own, and most definitely carry a gun. As long as people can protect themselves, they dont have to look to the goverment for protection. This is why all of the strongest supporters for greater gun control will say to "just call the cops." Those mentalities go hand in hand.
 
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The fact that you, a second amendment supporter, is using a term coined by the gun ban movment "gun control" proves you are incorrect on many points.

Not everyone owns a gun, the supreme court justice can change over time, and no god gives a hoot about firearms.

I don't want to be cliche' but have you ever heard of alcohol control, cigarrete control, fist control...no, neither have I.

These terms and phrases like gun control, assault rifle, street sweeper, junk gun, cop killer bullets, etc seep into the public psyche and sooner or later a vote will determine whether or not you have any rights left.

And good grief can we leave the president out of this discussion?!
 
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And good grief can we leave the president out of this discussion?!
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That has nothing to do with Obama.. he is the current president and that is all that has to do with it... If "W" was still in the whitehouse I would have subbed his name in that spot.. dont look for an argument where there isnt one. In short, an unfortunately large amount of people, who happen to make up a large portion of voters, will listen to and believe anything and everything that the president (who happens to be Obama, last i checked) says.
 
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Sorry, I just don't see how this adds anything useful to the discussion. There is an argument btw, politics are off topic at THR.
 
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Sorry, I just don't see how this adds anything useful to the discussion. There is an argument btw, politics are off topic at THR, you should know that by now.
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I have no doubt these will be deleted as NOW the thread is off topic, but I do not see the argument.. I have said nothing to his or anyone else's political standing. I said, in different terms, that people are sheep... I fail to see how politics being off topic has anything to do with mentioning someones name...

I didnt realize i had fallen into a world where Obama's name had risen to the level of Voldemort... "he who shall not be named."
 
I just think SOME people are a little to paranoid when it comes to gun control.
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I think your wording there is going to be off-putting to quite few people.

No offense, but calling a portion your fellow members paranoid isn't going to make you a lot of freinds. I'm new here too, so I'm going to tread carefully and try not to anger anybody. Just sayin'.
 
It's not a matter of calming down. It's a matter of diligence.

I suspect that a day will come in a couple hundred years that there will be no guns anywhere, except in a corner of the Smithsonian.

Until then, I gotta fight like a son-of-a-bisket just to make sure my children (and theirs) will enjoy what my Dad (and Grandpa) passed on to me.

So you're happy that the Supreme Court 5-4 affirmed your rights? That only occured after 20 years of us fighting like biskets to make it so.


When our rights are finally gone, it won't be because someone took them away. It will be because we stopped fighting and gave them away.
 
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I actually agree with you OP. I believe in all states, with the exception of California and Massachusetts, gun laws have become a lot less restrictive over the past few decades.
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How do you figure?

922o (1986 machine gun ban), Brady, NICS, Brady and NICS applied to long guns, 922r

I can't friggin change the stock on my SKS puchased pre-Clinton without being a criminal. I can't buy cheap chinese steel core ammo.

The only thing that has gotten better in Indiana is lifetime LTCH. Now I don't have to beg the .gov every four years for permission to exercise a fundamental constitutional right.
 
Plus, I highly doubt that they will ever ban guns.
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That's a short sighted view that many share, but the facts are that without a lot of people organizing and pressuring their elected officials that statement just wouldn't be utterable.

Before the AWB came along I would have agreed with you. Since there was no logical reason to ban any firearms available at the time I couldn't see how an informed electorate would allow it. Then like many of us, I was astounded by the folks in Congress that voted in such an absurd and obviously wrong headed piece of legislation. I became active in RKBA at that point because if I didn't think it could happen and I hadn't done anything to prevent it then I had to accept that my personal failure to recognize the potential threat to reason and my liberty was partly my fault. The only rational explanation was that there were people out there and in power that saw denying my and everyone else's right to own firearms as a means to an end or an end in and of itself. That truth made me aware of the need to work to retain this right for all of us is I was to keep it for myself and my family.

Now years have passed since the federal AWB has sunset without enough support to reinstate it (and there were many passionately interested in doing just that) and we have folks forgetting about the decade in which character assassination of gunowners to further the interest of antis was common and that very powerful politicians claimed they would get every gun in Mr. and Mrs. America's home.

Do we have that short a memory? Are we that shortsighted? Do we think those forces have just given up or are they biding their time until the realpolitik shifts a little in their favor?
 
I'm glad that there are people in the world that are "a little paranoid" about this topic. They are the ones who are working to allow me to enjoy the right to bear arms.

It would be very easy to become lazy and assume that we will always have the right to have guns; however, I can see the trend sliding in the other direction very quickly if we lose vigilance.
 
I think that the mere fact that this was ever brought to the supreme court by that Heller nut just goes to show that it CAN happen.
Fewer ppl educate their children about firearms and take an active interest in passing along American traditions. Do you think the new generation of sitting on my butt playing video games has much interest in firearms?
Most people I see at public ranges recently are either
A: Older people 40's+ and handle weapons responsibly
B: 30- and act like idiots with firearms.

I mean, that's just what I* see going on, but with that, I don't see a very bright future for the shooting sports. There's already far too many people who have this whole "what's the point of that.. why do you need that, it's useless and it makes no sense for civilians to have that" kind of attitude.

Then there's the "hunting is cruel and sadistic" kind of attitude, not paying attention to areas with animal population issues due to LACK of hunting.

I just think there's not enough community support of shooting sports and these types of ignorant, negative attitudes are only going to spread and become more oppressive.
 
I have had moments of complacency and thought that disarmament would never happen here, but those are just transient thoughts...I remind myself to be vigilant, not pathologically consumed by worry, but vigilant.
 
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5 out of 9 people believing in the RKBA is not an overwhelming majority and as a previous post said the last 2 appointments were definitely anti's. One more and we are screwed.
 
Maybe you should tell that guy in NJ that just got seven years in prison to calm down. After all he was only doing what is totally legal in most other states.

If people calm down we'll just more rediculous laws like the one that he suffering under.
 
I just think SOME people are a little to paranoid when it comes to gun control
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And your entitled to your opinion, no matter how strongly I disagree with it. I find most gun owners to not be vigilent ENOUGH, rather than too vigalent. I don't obsess about my gun rights, but nor do I dismiss them as a given that will always be there. AS far as the USSC goes, Heller was decided by a 5to4 majority....NOT 4/5 judges "agreeded" that gun ownership was a Constitutional right. Doesn't it bother you that it was even a question to begin with, or that 4 memebers of our USSC thought the 2nd DID NOT apply to individuals? Isn't it alarming that 4 out of the 9 of very people tasked with being the final interpretation of our laws believe that individual gun ownership IS NOT a constitutionaly protected right?
 
I think the RKBA gets swamped in some extreme rhetoric that does it a dis-service. I love guns because I think they're fun. There is an off chance that I could use one to defend myself, but I would consider it highly unlikely, and that's not why I have them.

Second amendment discussions often slide into a 'ability to revolt against a government' tone. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._rebellion_against_tyrannical_government.html)

That kind of garbage helps nobody, least of all the pro RKBA. People who say they have guns in case they have to fight the government are a great example of people who shouldn't be allowed to speak for the RKBA movement, or even own guns themselves.

Like a previous poster, I agree that given sufficient time few people will have guns. I think it's a shame, but I don't think it means doom.
 
As the urban population tends to sprawl out into the countryside they bring the idea that guns are for the cowboys and not for the city folk. Somehow they feel safer with a police cruiser patrolling the burb on occasion than trying to protect themselves. When the time comes that the PD is needed and shows up to investigate rather than stop the crime that usually changes a persons mind, if they happen to survive. Case in point-- there is a police station in the next town that is less than a 5 min drive from my house at 25 MPH--they are not allowed to cross the town line to help the local Sheriff or State Police until our protection gets here first---a 30 minute or more drive with light and siren at 50+ MPH. Unless we get lucky and they are already here by accident that is. I am a firefighter in the town and am called to all the fires and auto accidents. That is the typical response time if they are not busy already.:banghead: IMHO they should make people that move outside the DOT Urban Compact line own and maintain firearms or pay higher taxes or something like that. I believe that the mere thought that someone owns a firearm and would be willing to use it will send a BG to greener pastures most times.

Rant off:D

IMHO those that think we do not need firearms should just move away and go to somewhere that does not allow them.:D Also when they want to come back here for protection when they realize what is the truth to be denied reentry.
 
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Only intelligent people are paranoid. The others are too dumb to look at all facets of an issue, and plan accordingly.
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