ShaiVong
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In their defense, modern racists are hardly intelligent enough to understand evolution.
I think some people need to calm down
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In their defense, modern racists are hardly intelligent enough to understand evolution.
Sauer Grapes
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I'm not paraniod!!!! Oh, yes I am. I'm not saying it can't happen but I doubt it wound happen in the time I have left on this earth.
pith43
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To me, this is a faulty premise. The statistics have always shown that the more restrictions imposed on states/communities, the higher the crime rate. Although I have not seen the statistics, I seriously doubt gun laws reduce the rate of accidental gun deaths, any more than they reduce gun related crime.
ConstitutionCowboy
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ShaiVong said:
Don't be deluded. The "fear" you speak of is misplaced. A good study of history is all one needs to understand that despots, tyrants, and other ambitious aggressors exist. I, for one, do not fear them. They should fear me because I am armed and determined to stay free.
Woody
Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. Governments come and go, but your rights live on. If you wish to survive government, you must protect with jealous resolve all the powers that come with your rights - especially with the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Without the power of those arms, you will perish with that government - or at its hand. B.E. Wood
There's a significant difference between "fear", "concern" and "awareness".
I think most of our members are aware of the potential for threats to their safety or security and liberty. A few may be concerned about their safety or security with good reason because of the greater risk they're exposed to due to where they live or their careers. I expect that only a very few of our members and gun owners in general are actually fearful, even though that term gets thrown around a lot.
More precisely, most of us are aware of or concerned about our safety/security and liberty based on a clear understanding of the history of 2A erosion in this country and the clear trend in other countries.
I think most of our members are aware of the potential for threats to their safety or security and liberty. A few may be concerned about their safety or security with good reason because of the greater risk they're exposed to due to where they live or their careers. I expect that only a very few of our members and gun owners in general are actually fearful, even though that term gets thrown around a lot.
More precisely, most of us are aware of or concerned about our safety/security and liberty based on a clear understanding of the history of 2A erosion in this country and the clear trend in other countries.
Thinking about this one more, are you actually telling me that some guy who believes he should own a rifle and say 1000 rounds of ammunition on the off chance he'll need it someday is to be equated with the most extreme of gun control advocates?
Both beliefs could be motivated by fear, but one seeks to limit the civil liberties of other people and the other does not. I have yet to hear any practical justification for limiting civil liberties of any kind.
788Ham
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Wheelguner05,
You must be pretty weak in the history dept., making such statements as you did/have, either that, or "they" have you already! Don't think for a moment the other-side isn't contemplating removing the firearms we have, they tried it with the "powder markers", the shortages on powder, primers, brass cases, this isn't new to us. When I was 17, still a senior in HS, I joined the naval reserve, graduated and went to basic, then by the following Jan, was aboard ship in Viet Nam. I did this on my own accord, because I could, I came back a disabled veteran, but would do it again too, if I was 40 years younger! I love this country and would/will die for it to keep her free, if guns are a part of it, which you already know this, then you'll know why you've stirred up this hornet's nest by asking such stupid statements like you have. If you feel the way you do, its quite apparent, then possibly you need to go find yourself a good history book and start reading it, possibly your feelings and comments will change, then maybe not, since it looks as though "they" have you.
Semper Fi
You must be pretty weak in the history dept., making such statements as you did/have, either that, or "they" have you already! Don't think for a moment the other-side isn't contemplating removing the firearms we have, they tried it with the "powder markers", the shortages on powder, primers, brass cases, this isn't new to us. When I was 17, still a senior in HS, I joined the naval reserve, graduated and went to basic, then by the following Jan, was aboard ship in Viet Nam. I did this on my own accord, because I could, I came back a disabled veteran, but would do it again too, if I was 40 years younger! I love this country and would/will die for it to keep her free, if guns are a part of it, which you already know this, then you'll know why you've stirred up this hornet's nest by asking such stupid statements like you have. If you feel the way you do, its quite apparent, then possibly you need to go find yourself a good history book and start reading it, possibly your feelings and comments will change, then maybe not, since it looks as though "they" have you.
Semper Fi
ShaiVong
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They don't fear you; they have thousands of minions and hundreds of airplanes. This isn't an action movie.
ShaiVong
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No.
ShaiVong
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That's also one of the many reasons I own them to; I'm of average height and build, and I don't work out. It's much easier just to have a few loaded pistols around (which I do). Though, I can say that I fully expect to never have to use firearm to defend myself.
And the vast majority of us won't either, but simply being able to recognize the risk and taking measures to mitigate the hazard because of the catastrophic nature of the hazard (however low the potential for exposure may be) seems quite reasonable.
Creature
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Dont forget that those who fly those airplanes and crew those tanks are citizens as well.
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In good times or bad, total oppression or in a truly free society, I believe the heart of the matter will be those people that hold the truths and freedoms bestowed upon them by some very smart men and women will obviously be that firearms are a basic structure piece of OUR society. I know for myself, they can come and jackboot my guns away, I will still always have a gun handy.
RKBA is imprinted into my soul, no government or police state can take that away from me, laws or no laws. They may pry my gun from my cold dead hand but they will never find the others I have buried and put away for my surviving brothers, sisters and close friends. I can find two (2) pipes, a nail and a shotgun shell in just about any house in the USA. From that, I can gain a better weapon and progress up. The Gov't can place any and all restrictions they want; there will always be guns of some sort available.
To keep the RKBA, you need to VOTE in the people that will counter act judicial activists and rogue half cocked politicians. To keep your SELF imposed RKBA, you need to plan ahead like you would for any other insurance/survival matter.
RKBA is imprinted into my soul, no government or police state can take that away from me, laws or no laws. They may pry my gun from my cold dead hand but they will never find the others I have buried and put away for my surviving brothers, sisters and close friends. I can find two (2) pipes, a nail and a shotgun shell in just about any house in the USA. From that, I can gain a better weapon and progress up. The Gov't can place any and all restrictions they want; there will always be guns of some sort available.
To keep the RKBA, you need to VOTE in the people that will counter act judicial activists and rogue half cocked politicians. To keep your SELF imposed RKBA, you need to plan ahead like you would for any other insurance/survival matter.
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Creature
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...I once heard that liberals become conservatives when their front garden is invaded.
Before slick willy BILL CLINTON came in office.We were all allowed to own auto weapons
converted into semi auto. Now we can have rifles made in other countries.Brought here and manipulated with american parts.Therefore rendering them semi auto forever.Chill out!!! This is how the above has passed through our goverment.CHILLING OUT. YOU CAN PRY MY GUNS FROM MY DEAD COLD HANDS. UNTIL THEN YOU BETTER BE READY FOR ONE HELL OF A FIGHT.
converted into semi auto. Now we can have rifles made in other countries.Brought here and manipulated with american parts.Therefore rendering them semi auto forever.Chill out!!! This is how the above has passed through our goverment.CHILLING OUT. YOU CAN PRY MY GUNS FROM MY DEAD COLD HANDS. UNTIL THEN YOU BETTER BE READY FOR ONE HELL OF A FIGHT.
ConstitutionCowboy
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ShaiVong said:
Then what's stopping them? Every tyrant who has ever subjugated and held a people has done so by force. There has never been a subjugated people who haven't been disarmed or were not armed to begin with, or conquered my a superior force. Every tyrant or tyranny who/that has fallen has succumbed to force of one kind or another, usually the force of arms, and occasionally disobedience, money, and the best of all - Divine intervention. (if you don't believe in God, that last one will mean nothing to you.)
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i didn't read all the post here but as to the op, the un wants to ban small arms they put as much pressure as they can to push their agenda. their are bureaucrats here who want the same thing and have done it in different cities and states in the us. notice that we arn't allowing the import of low capacity 8rd. clip m1 garands. also if it weren't for the current make up of the scotus their would be even more gun control right now, and that court can change at any moment. one more vote the other way and these decisions go the other way. its not fear or paranoia but recognizing the current liberal political agenda and what freedoms they have already transgressed.
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Constant vigilence is required and this 2nd Amendment, of all freedoms, may be the most critical and feared by the hopeful dictators of the Left where "gun-control" is a plank in their platform strategy and incrementalism is their tactic. Lawless Hate and Blame America First folk. That the Constitution was held to actually mean "the people" by only one SCOTUS vote, against the statist party line, is damning evidence YOU brought up.
If you don't see it you are deluding yourself. If people seem paranoid sometimes it means someone is really after them. Wake up and smell the left-wing tyranny -- it really isn't hard despite that they're boiling-up lies every day.
Al
If you don't see it you are deluding yourself. If people seem paranoid sometimes it means someone is really after them. Wake up and smell the left-wing tyranny -- it really isn't hard despite that they're boiling-up lies every day.
Al
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It is hard to discuss such things without going political...Probably impossible for it is the political system and laws that determine whether we are allowed to keep our freedoms for the few verses the paranoia of the many. Did that make sense?
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Rail Driver
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It really looks like this thread is not much more than a political rant, by scanning the last several posts. I'm not going to bring up politics, but in keeping with the title of the thread, I agree that some people need to calm down... I've been seeing a lot of very "snotty", "smart-alec" comments here reently, and I really think that some people (especially a few of the much newer crowd) need to re-read the rules (all of them), and before they hit that "submit reply" button, they should re-read their post and decide if it really fits THR standards.
Some people think the mods here are heavy handed, I disagree. I've also noticed that they seem to be stepping back and letting things go a bit longer lately... Maybe they're busy, maybe they're "giving us enough rope to hang ourselves" as an example... I don't know, but I do know that I've been spending less time here and more time on other forums lately due to the declining atmosphere and rude behavior on the rise here.
Some people think the mods here are heavy handed, I disagree. I've also noticed that they seem to be stepping back and letting things go a bit longer lately... Maybe they're busy, maybe they're "giving us enough rope to hang ourselves" as an example... I don't know, but I do know that I've been spending less time here and more time on other forums lately due to the declining atmosphere and rude behavior on the rise here.
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Rail;
It is fine to think outside the box and The Mods keep people reasonably within the lines, but please note that the very basis of the OP is political in nature. Just the concept that a RIGHT can be supressed is a political manifestation. But you already knew that. In that regard you might, what, have people never discuss threats against the 2nd Amendment?
Nope, I don't think that would be acceptable even if where open dialog on it overwhelmingly leads is not comfortable from your personal political perspective. That's just too darn bad and trying to shut-down discussion is a tactic that the silent majority no longer tolerates. This is actual democracy at work and what The Highroad fosters...
Al
It is fine to think outside the box and The Mods keep people reasonably within the lines, but please note that the very basis of the OP is political in nature. Just the concept that a RIGHT can be supressed is a political manifestation. But you already knew that. In that regard you might, what, have people never discuss threats against the 2nd Amendment?
Nope, I don't think that would be acceptable even if where open dialog on it overwhelmingly leads is not comfortable from your personal political perspective. That's just too darn bad and trying to shut-down discussion is a tactic that the silent majority no longer tolerates. This is actual democracy at work and what The Highroad fosters...
Al
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Rail Driver
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Al LaVodka said:
I don't disagree that the Mods do a great job here overall. That's not my issue. The very basis of the OP violates the rules of THR as I read them... Have you read them? The relevant section is quoted below. In regards to your assumption that I would have the discussion of threats against our rights (all of them, not just the 2nd Amendment) is both wrong, and slightly off target. I'm not intending to suppress discussion. I feel that, for a vehemently non-political board, this post is extremely politically oriented. We can discuss laws, infringements and threats to RKBA and the 2nd Amendment without delving into politics. The problem with political discussion is that many people automatically assume that everyone here is a conservative republican. That can be seen in the way some people in this thread have offhandedly discussed other political affiliations where RKBA and other issues are concerned. That's simply not true. There are many different political leanings and beliefs here, and it can get heated. I've seen a local forum (my area) be literally destroyed by the addition of a political talk subforum, and it didn't take long... 2 or 3 threads into the life of the subforum, the entire community of ~3500-4500 active members dissolved due to the extreme disagreements.
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Al LaVodka said:
My issue with the thread and where it is going has nothing to do with my personal political perspective, and my personal political perspective hasn't been evidenced or shared, and frankly is nobody's business but my own, thank you. I'm not intending to shut down discussion, I'm commenting on the blatant disregard for the rules of the forum we are so graciously allowed to use. If you would like to discuss politics I'm certain that there are many, many other forums where you can engage in that sort of discussion. If you would like to see democracy at work, visit the polls and sit in on congress... Email, write and call your senators and congressmen... Run for office. Forum discussions, while fantastic for spreading information and promoting activism, do little to further the cause of democracy in this country, because we simply aren't a pure democracy or a pure republic for that matter, but more a mixture of both (at least that's how it's intended... I won't get into what I feel about our government and how they've set themselves up). For more information, please see the following quoted and linked article:
M. Dee Dubroff said:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-republic-and-a-democracy.htm
Just my 2 cents.
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