Taurus 28 gauge... any more news?
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pikid89
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last i heard was it was going to be legal
per the NRA
http://www.americanrifleman.org/blogs/quashing-raging-judge-rumors/
per the NRA
http://www.americanrifleman.org/blogs/quashing-raging-judge-rumors/
oneounceload
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Since 28 is over .50 caliber, and this is not a shotgun but a pistol, how is it going to be legal without a stamp?
evan price
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Bore is over .50" so it will be an AOW at least. It's always going to be LEGAL just needs more flaming hoops jumped through.
Sam1911
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It can't legally be a "shotgun" by definition because a shotgun has to be designed to be fired from the shoulder. (You can add a pistol-grip-only, but if it HAD a stock at some point, it's a shotgun.)
IF it was a smooth-bore handgun it would be an "Any Other Weapon," registered under Title II of the NFA. ($200 tax, transfer on a Form 4, CLEO signature, etc.)
If it is rifled, then it ISN'T an "AOW," but could be a "Large Bore Destructive Device" -- also a Title II regulated firearm.
OR, it could be deemed to be especially suited to sporting purposes and exempt -- like the .600 Nitro Express, or almost all shotguns. As there has never been any military 28 ga. use, I'm assuming that Taurus asked for and got this exemption ruling from the ATF.
Good points all, But not to worry, the Goverment will do what is right. msn
Jesse Heywood
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Why does the bore have to be larger than .50? If it's lead shot it can be choked down. I don't know what it would do to the pattern, but things like that can be overcome.
dawei
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Does anyone know if the barrel is smooth bore or rifled?
1911Tuner
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Just my thoughts...
The most likely reason that the ATF is opposing it is because if it's given a pass, the ammo makers will probably bring a slug load to the table...which would break the .50 caliber barrier that makes everybody so nervous, 'cuz it could...like...you know...be used to shoot down airplanes and stuff. (Even though the ATF knows better.)
In all honesty, though...even though this is a politcal travesty...on a realistic level, it means little. The notion of a 4-pound, 16-inch handgun just ain't somethin' that would be real practical.
garyhan
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The new Taurus is legal and it is not NFA. The barrel is choked down to .499, thus avoiding the destructive device issue.
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451 Detonics
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It has to be rifled or it would be a SBS. Of course they could makr the rifling slow enough not to be a problem, don't know if they could make it straight and still be considered rifling.
Sam1911
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Again, this is NOT true. It has to be rifled, if a handgun, or it would be an AOW. It CANNOT be an SBS because the NFA definition includes the phrase, "designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder."
And, yes, the rifling can be almost anything the manufacturer wants to put in there (1:200 twist? Is that "straight?"
), including very shallow.Sam1911
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Is that so? I haven't seen anything on this so a source citation would be helpful.
FWIW, a 28 ga. barrel is .550". An EXTRA Full choke only brings that down 0.024" to 0.526".
So what would we call a choke that reduced a .550" bore 0.051" to 0.499"? More than twice the restriction of an extra full choke? Sounds like a very bad idea.
I think I'm going to have to call bullpucky on that until I see something in writing from Taurus.
Sam1911
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I haven't seen anything credible saying that the ATF IS opposing it. In fact, the NRA posted a letter about it right after SHOT saying that the rumors to that effect were completely unfounded and that the ATF's new ruling on shotguns had to do with something else completely.
I think the simple answer is that Taurus asked for and received a sporting exemption and that's that.
1911Tuner
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Sam...It was my understanding that the ATF wasn't looking favorably at giving it a pass.
'Course, I haven't been following it very closely, and word may have changed.
'Course, I haven't been following it very closely, and word may have changed.
Sam1911
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Here's the NRA/American Rifleman article on the issue from 1/26/11: http://www.americanrifleman.org/blogs/quashing-raging-judge-rumors/
The first line reads:
I haven't heard anything further, in the last month or so to change that.
The first line reads:
I haven't heard anything further, in the last month or so to change that.
I have a feeling this one will go the way of the Raging Bee and the Raging .223 that were both at shot shows and never manufactured
Taurus has been making odd firearms just for shot for a long time now
they make one as an attention getter and then never make any for public consumption
im still waiting to see the .223 revolver they had at i think SHOT 2003... just wanna see how they made it work
if they do manage to make the 28 ill get one just because i like my 410 judge so much
but i think this one should be called "The Jury"
and next year maybe we can have a 12Ga called The Exe... oh nevermind
Taurus has been making odd firearms just for shot for a long time now
they make one as an attention getter and then never make any for public consumption
im still waiting to see the .223 revolver they had at i think SHOT 2003... just wanna see how they made it work
if they do manage to make the 28 ill get one just because i like my 410 judge so much
but i think this one should be called "The Jury"
and next year maybe we can have a 12Ga called The Exe... oh nevermind
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