Oh this is rich, ruin a Glock with a lever "safety"

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So having a trigger that can easily get pulled by a foreign object is okay.

I guess all those people carrying all those silly guns with manuel safeties switched one are just a bunch of fools.
 
hey, i really like lever safeties; they give me a little extra peace of mind, and i also enjoy being 'cocked and locked'

i am extremely safe with my guns, and i always try to do as much as i can to educate people about gun safety, but having a lever safety on a gun just seems like an added level of...well...safety...duh :)
 
I've never had my Glock's trigger pulled by anything but my finger. If "foreign objects" are pulling your gun's trigger, you're doing something seriously wrong. A Glock's trigger is a lot different from my 1911's trigger when cocked that's for sure.

hey, i really like lever safeties; they give me a little extra peace of mind, and i also enjoy being 'cocked and locked'

i am extremely safe with my guns, and i always try to do as much as i can to educate people about gun safety, but having a lever safety on a gun just seems like an added level of...well...safety...duh
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The "added level of safety" argument is not logical, it is emotional. By that argument, then you should keep adding so called "safeties" to your guns. Then you would be super duper safe. Right?

You essentially admitted an emotional motivation in your opening sentence by saying "they give me a little extra peace of mind." Following proper rules of gun handling matters more than feelings. If "peace of mind" is what is motivating you to want a lever on your tool, then it makes me wonder if you are paying more attention to the rules of gun safety or to the level of "peace" in your mind (which you say the lever adds to). I would rather be around someone who follows the rules of gun handling, instead of someone who feels uncomfortable with their gun unless it has a lever to make them feel safe.

A 1911 doesn't apply to this discussion about a DOUBLE action firearm. A lever on a single action 1911 that is COCKED, is completely different than adding levers to guns that don't need them.
 
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With a proper carry holster, having a manual safety or not shouldn't be an issue. If you think it may be a problem with someone you know (or yourself) then those people need some additional training on gun safety. Finger OFF THE TRIGGER until ready to shoot!

The whole point of having a gun without a thumb safety is to make it easier to carry and protect yourself. It's one less step to perform to take the bad guy out of the picture. I have a Springrield XDm 9mm and it doesn't bother me one bit that it doesn't have a manual safety. Unless someone pulls the trigger, it's not going to fire.
 
I actually would like one on my EDC, Kahr CW9, so I can feel better about carrying it chambered. Say what you like about the gun not going off by itself without user intervention.
I carry at 2 o'clock and the barrel is pointed directly at the jewels. Every time I sit down, it's like I'm being held up at gunpoint. If anybody created something like this for Kahr, I'd be all over it.
Fact is, Glock just like Kahr has no safety. Adding this does nothing to hinder the function of the gun. When drawing the gun from your holster you learn to turn the safety off. I see no harm is this invention.
 
re: 5-2-7 :

Just in jest. Quote : " I guess all those people carrying all those silly guns with manuel safeties switched one are just a bunch of fools. " What does Manuel, or Pablo, or Juan have to do with your safety?? "... Manuel safety switched (sic) ONE ... are fools." Hmmm, if one is as lax with safeties as with keyboards, IMHO that is pretty risky. I wonder why wheel-guns have no safeties -- or maybe some own revolvers that DO have safeties. JIMHO. Dao.
 
Impureclient said:
Fact is, Glock just like Kahr has no safety.
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Sell your guns right now.

The ultimate safety "lever" of all firearms resides at the stop of the user's spinal column.

If your guns don't have any safeties, you need to sell them before someone gets hurt.
 
Just in jest. Quote : " I guess all those people carrying all those silly guns with manuel safeties switched one are just a bunch of fools. " What does Manuel, or Pablo, or Juan have to do with your safety?? "... Manuel safety switched (sic) ONE ... are fools." Hmmm, if one is as lax with safeties as with keyboards, IMHO that is pretty risky. I wonder why wheel-guns have no safeties -- or maybe some own revolvers that DO have safeties. JIMHO. Dao.
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I guess a small typo ruins someone's viewpoint.:rolleyes:
 
Still not safe enough for me. I'm gonna wait for a frame-mounted keylock before I order mine. For now I carry the frame in one pocket and the slide in the other and it only takes me a sec to assemble the gun and get it into action!
 
I love how people get nasty in here right to the point where they are just to the point of calling you an idiot for your thoughts on a
subject but then they back off just a few millimeters so they don't go "low road" enough to get it from the mods. How clever. ;)
 
The "safety lever at the stop of the users spinal column" seems to be the safety that fails most often. I don't want all you unsafe people with extremely safe manual safety-less pistols around me. :D

I wouldn't have an issue carrying a Glock, and if I did I wouldn't alter the pistol with a safety, I would switch to another pistol. But why should I care about or criticise someone else who wishes to ADD a safety to a firearm, good for them.

I used to be an auto-mechanic, and I never felt the need to criticise how you have to push the brakes before you can shift the car out of "Park". Maybe one day I have to rely on my car to save my life, and that split second it takes to hit the safety, I mean brake pedal, will cost me my life. From now on, I will only buy cars without this safety feature and criticise people who appreciate that its there. I personally don't think I need it, but if someone else wishes to add even more safety features to their car (<much more dangerous machine) why should I care?
 
As one who carries a 1911 cocked and locked on a daily basis (except for days where I am in court), I'll take my manual safeties. For something like a DA/SA, DAO or pre-cocked striker type gun, a safety really isn't as necessary, but for me facilitates my being comfortable with the gun.
 
I bought my XD45 with the optional thumb safety. I have put about 700 rounds through it so far, and have yet to use the thumb safety. I keep it close to my bed, with loaded clips next to it. Still, without the thumb safety engaged. I have no need for it, but the fact that it is there hurts nothing. Maybe someday I'll find a use for it.
 
Two articles by Massad Ayoob stated that this pistol should not be CCW carried without the MSK installed,
I am in total agreement with the esteemed Massad Ayoob, who has on several occasions, in print and on “Personal Defense TV” stated that a manual safety has saved countless Police Officers lives when the unthinkable has happened, the duty weapon being snatched from their holsters and the criminal tries to fire it and does not realize that it has a manual safety. If you carry a weapon concealed for personal security, YOU need to think about that… Do you want YOUR weapon used against you or someone else? I Don’t!
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Seem this person who is better known, I believe than you. I would also say more a expert on firearms. Believes different


The above quotes is from the link you posted..
 
Isnt Mas a revolver shooter? No safety on that...

FWIW, I carry a Glock all day every day with a round in the chamber. I am very confident in the internal safeties of the Glock. I refuse to carry a CCW piece that has a manual safety/internal lock/or magazine disconnect.
 
If you rely on a lever "safety" on your gun, then stay away from ME. I will only be around people and stay around people who follow the proper rules of gun handling, i.e. who recognize that THEY THE USER are the "safety," and must follow basic rules of gun handling at all times.
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A foolish and naive assumption on your part that people that like guns with a thumb safety don't follow the basic rules of safe gun handling at all times.
 
labhound said:
elcaminoariba said:
If you rely on a lever "safety" on your gun, then stay away from ME. I will only be around people and stay around people who follow the proper rules of gun handling, i.e. who recognize that THEY THE USER are the "safety," and must follow basic rules of gun handling at all times.
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A foolish and naive assumption on your part that people that like guns with a thumb safety don't follow the basic rules of safe gun handling at all times.
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Perhaps you overlooked the conditional at the beginning of the line.
 
I have a simple point:

If you want a gun with a manual safety, BUY ONE! There are plenty out there, and there are MANY good choices among those. If you want a Glock, buy a Glock. Period. There are hundreds of thousands of us who manage to own and shoot Glocks without blowing our bollocks off.
 
If someone wants to install a thumb safety on their Glock, I say go for it. I believe it is indeed comparable to a 1911, regardless of trigger type. Drawing either would be mechanically identical. Do you take issue with thumb safeties in general, or just having aftermarket safeties installed?

That said, I have no problem carrying a gun with no manual safety, nor do I have a problem disengaging one. I say to each his own.
 
elcaminoariba said:
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Where to begin.

http://www.usacarry.com/glock-manual-safety-kit-by-cominolli-custom/

If you rely on a lever "safety" on your gun, then stay away from ME. I will only be around people and stay around people who follow the proper rules of gun handling, i.e. who recognize that THEY THE USER are the "safety," and must follow basic rules of gun handling at all times.
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I have never understood the "macho" mentality that some Glock owners have about manual safeties. They seem to think that manual safeties are for "sissies" and that real men have no use for them. The fact is that before Glock came along in the 1980's, virtually every semi-automatic pistol in the world had a manual safety. Why? Because they reduced the risk of accidental discharge. People have not changed in past hundred years. They are as prone to making mistakes today as they were back then, and I guaranty you that there are a lot of very competent and highly skilled shooters out there who bought into the Glock philosophy that "the only safety needed is your finger" who now wish they had had a manual safety on their Glock. Just ask any guy with a case of Glock leg. They aren't all dumba**es; most are shooters like the rest of us who simply made a mistake.
 
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