My brother and his guns.

ms6852 · Mar 30, 2011

How many of you here love your brother but would like to wring his neck if you could get away with it. My brother loves guns and hunting but has no clue as to how to adjust for elevation or windage and certain distances using MOA or mil ranging formulas.

As much as he likes to shoot and hunt he as never made an effort to learn more than zeroing his rifle at 100 yds and 200 yds.

Am I alone in this or are there more big brothers frustrated in the shooting world?

btg3 · Mar 30, 2011

I suspect he actually is quite proficient at MOA/mil ranging... but he just gets such a kick out of provoking his big brother that he'll never let on.

joeq · Mar 30, 2011

Last I checked you didn't have to be a sniper to enjoy hunting and shooting.

ThePunisher'sArmory · Mar 30, 2011

I can't side with the brother part, but I have a bunch of friends who own guns and shoot but are not "shooters". They own guns but have limited understanding of how the things work, ie, ballistics, mechanical end of a gun, basic smithing, etc. Its cool though we still have fun and are safe. I have, however, drilled the 4 rules of shooting into their heads, whether they like it or not! Some ask to learn some things and I'll explain what I can, but for the most part they just shoot as something to do. Some of them do not even clean their guns???? Ah but what can you do?

Last I checked you didn't have to be a sniper to enjoy hunting and shooting.

I'm pretty sure this is not what the OP is getting at.....

ms6852 · Mar 30, 2011

ThePunisher'sArmory said:
I can't side with the brother part, but I have a bunch of friends who own guns and shoot but are not "shooters". They own guns but have limited understanding of how the things work, ie, ballistics, mechanical end of a gun, basic smithing, etc. Its cool though we still have fun and are safe. I have, however, drilled the 4 rules of shooting into their heads, whether they like it or not! Some ask to learn some things and I'll explain what I can, but for the most part they just shoot as something to do. Some of them do not even clean their guns???? Ah but what can you do?

I'm pretty sure this is not what the OP is getting at.....

My brother is a shooter and he really has no understanding of ballistics. He spends a ton of money on guns and scopes and bases his decision purely on what he likes esthetically.
Just recently he bought an EOTECH 512 and kept it for a month before he gave it to me. He stated he did not like it because he missed a coyote lasered at 302 yards with his bushmaster. The Eotech is not accurate according to him. Me I am happy as can be.

ms6852 · Mar 30, 2011

btg3 said:
I suspect he actually is quite proficient at MOA/mil ranging... but he just gets such a kick out of provoking his big brother that he'll never let on.

WRONG!:banghead:WRONG!:banghead:AND VERRRRY WRONG!!:banghead::banghead:

ObsidianOne · Mar 30, 2011

ms6852 said:
My brother is a shooter and he really has no understanding of ballistics. He spends a ton of money on guns and scopes and bases his decision purely on what he likes esthetically.
Just recently he bought an EOTECH 512 and kept it for a month before he gave it to me. He stated he did not like it because he missed a coyote lasered at 302 yards with his bushmaster. The Eotech is not accurate according to him. Me I am happy as can be.

Sounds like you're getting free stuff! Why are you upset? lol

Liberty1776 · Mar 30, 2011

My older brother is gun illiterate. Has only shot 3, maybe 4 guns in his life. He barely knows what his gun is, and he is the best - BEST - wingshot I've ever seen in my life. He has literally never missed a pheasant...

ColtPythonElite · Mar 30, 2011

My brother is rolled up jacket on the truck hood, 3 shot somewhere in the black at 70 or so paces kind of guy. His method certainly doesn't seem to be a downside to hunting. He kills more deer every year than anyone else I know.

Robert · Mar 30, 2011

I may not be able to range using Mils or MOA, or know how to read the wind, or have intimate knowledge of ballistics but I know my hold and how to hit what I am aiming at. That is good enough for me.

1KPerDay · Mar 30, 2011

ms6852 said:
My brother loves guns and hunting but has no clue as to how to adjust for elevation or windage and certain distances using MOA or mil ranging formulas.

So?

I may not be able to range using Mils or MOA, or know how to read the wind, or have intimate knowledge of ballistics but I know my hold and how to hit what I am aiming at. That is good enough for me.

Right on.

ms6852 · Mar 30, 2011

My brother is very similar. Once he has his scope boresighted he can hit anything and is feared by all 4 legged creatures. I just do not understand why he is so lazy in learning simple stuff as boresighting. He went through a box and a half of fusion 7mm cartridges trying to get on paper. He finally called me and told me and I walked him through it. The next day he calls that his nikon monarch is a piece of <deleted>. I told him to check and make sure the screws were loose and if so to use loctite to secure them. Problem solved. I was hoping to have a Monarch to my collection....but no luck.

txhoghunter · Mar 30, 2011

My brother is a shooter and he really has no understanding of ballistics. He spends a ton of money on guns and scopes and bases his decision purely on what he likes esthetically.
Just recently he bought an EOTECH 512 and kept it for a month before he gave it to me. He stated he did not like it because he missed a coyote lasered at 302 yards with his bushmaster. The Eotech is not accurate according to him. Me I am happy as can be.

Wanna pass on the aimpoint to me when he tires of it?

grumpy66 · Mar 30, 2011

That's why you tell him that Nikons are good cameras, not scopes.
Tell him he needs a Swarovski.

Hunt480 · Mar 30, 2011

Sounds like he loves the thrill of the hunt like me, the gun is just one of the tools. I hunt alot but also shoot alot in the off season. I do reload but for many a year I basically site in my rifles at 100 yds and call it good for hunting but I'm in Ga. I bow hunt and handgun hunt also. I do alot of shooting with the handguns year round to stay sharp, All my shooting is solely for hunting purposes most of the time but I also enjoy shooting and finding accurate hunting loads with all my guns pistol/revolver/rifle. It do bring home the meat at crunch time.

TheCracker · Mar 30, 2011

joeq said:
Last I checked you didn't have to be a sniper to enjoy hunting and shooting.

Good one!

HarleyFixer · Mar 30, 2011

MIL = Mother In Law........don't understand them either

yeti · Mar 30, 2011

Being able to just do something is more important than knowing 'how I done it,' is. SWAG and by guess an' by gosh has put more meat in the freezer than all the ranging formulas & ballistics tables ever printed... but they do make for good reading on a cold winter's night.

forindooruseonly · Mar 30, 2011

My brother loves guns and hunting but has no clue as to how to adjust for elevation or windage and certain distances using MOA or mil ranging formulas.

I suspect most hunters don't - many people will never make a hunting shot over a couple of hundred yards and at that range if you miss, its not because you screwed a formula up in your calculations.

Believe or not, you can be a gun fanatic and not find all the mathematical aspects behind it interesting enough to bother, especially if you are not out to use such skills regularly. As long as he is safe and isn't out wounding wildlife by taking shots he shouldn't, leave him be. He knows what he likes, and doing math isn't one of them...

Blackrock · Mar 30, 2011

Heck my daughter ain't got a clue about all that techno jargon either. Last year I zeroed her .222 Rem fo 200 yards my self then helped her rezero because her POA/POI was different than mine then turned her loose on the Pdogs in South Dakota. She got cosistent kills from 15 yards out to 325 yards using Kentucky windage.

Sauer Grapes · Mar 30, 2011

I like your brother! When I hunted, I made sure the rifle was good to go @ 100yds. Went deer hunting and put it away until next season.
To this day, it's the only centerfire rifle I own. I'm a firm believer in "Kentucky windage".......

Animal Mother · Mar 30, 2011

Just recently he bought an EOTECH 512 and kept it for a month before he gave it to me.

That's a heck of a brother, count yourself very lucky to have such a generous brother.

At least he's a gunnie, but I know where you are coming from. My own dad has been a gunnie for 50+ years, doing regular plinking, but it wasn't until this year that he had an interest in having me show him how to sight in a scope. Now that he knows though he's bought his own Bushnell for his Sig rifle and a Red-Dot for his Henry lever action, so he's at least he's coming around.

Walkalong · Mar 30, 2011

I agree with 1KPerDay.

My older brother has some real nice guns and scopes and goes hunting a lot. He knows where his guns hit and kills all kinds of deer etc. He could care less about anything else. He is quite ignorant about guns compared to most folks here, but happy as a clam.

LibShooter · Mar 30, 2011

Am I alone in this or are there more big brothers frustrated in the shooting world?

Don't try to be your brother's keeper. My big brother says trying to teach his little brother anything drives him crazy.

KingMedicine · Mar 30, 2011

+1000 1kperday

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