Weapons ban

Neither of the hospitals here or any of their satellite facilities allow guns inside. They even refused to allow uniformed police officers inside in one of them (can't remember which) because they were armed.

That's about as stupid as anything I've ever heard or seen. Healthcare "professionals" who act like scared little kids deserve to lose business IMHO, but when they all get together a person is between a rock and a hard place and no place else to go.

On one hand I can understand it-they don't want some guy with mental problems to get a hold of one because someone is careless.

But mostly I'm sure its just ignorance. Guns are "scary" after all.

It is standard policy at most hospitals.

It's been illegal to carry in every nursing home I have in Texas that I have been in. It may be a state law. There are a lot of irrational people in nursing homes and hospitals. I'm not sure restricting firearms in these environments is a bad idea.

You are talking about a private business?

Their house, their rules.

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Concealed means concealed (as long as your state/local laws don't outlaw going in, armed, past a sign or being personally notified)

LAst time I was in for stiches from a bad cut, the doctor who knew me said do you have your gun in the car, I said yes, he said , get it, they locked down another local hospital because someone started shooting in the cafeteria. They were all scared to death. I said if someone with authority gives me written permission I would do so, and that was that. They thought it might not just be a local thing. Screwed up world now as I was saying in another post when I saw this one.

They even refused to allow uniformed police officers inside in one of them (can't remember which) because they were armed.

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At least they're being consistent, unlike most places which have a magical LEO exception to their "no guns" policies.

Too bad you asked about the sign. Now they know that you know. In some instances, I have found an alternate entrance to a place that has one of those signs at the FRONT door, but failed to post them at other entrances. Not having a sign posted is a good excuse for not knowing about the restriction, and thus NOT being liable for knowing about it.

I work in a hospital, and its not exactly the hospitals policy against weapons, but its because of the accrediation on the hospital. It places rules that must be followed to be accredited. We have ended up taking the idea that weapons are not allowed, but we dont ask and you dont tell. And if someone shows up in the ED with a pistol, we just lock it up (if they are in no shape to have one medically) and give it back when they exit or to family. But its not really the hospitals choice...

My wife was in a nursing home once and i asked one of the wardens, " if I were put into this place could I bring my hobbie to the nursing home?" She replied, "oh yes we encourage that." I said, "oh good, I collect guns." She said, "oh we wouldn't allow that." I explained to her that I only wanted to bring one gun and one cartridge.

"[They even refused to allow uniformed police officers inside in one of them (can't remember which) because they were armed.]"

NOT if he is there on Duty & conducting a investigaton ; )
Y/D

My father (just died at 89) and mother-in-law have lived for years in one of the better complexes in San Antonio.

Elderly people there with serious medical problems have committed suicide, and so the logic at the A.R.C. seem to be that guns should not be allowed.

As these guys were all Army and Air Force officers (many had full careers), it is interesting to imagine the varieties of guns which some must have had when they were younger.
My father-in-law "liberated" some handguns from Hermann Goering's Haus in Bavaria in '45, but gave them away as gifts a few years later.

I have family back in Ohio (where I grew up), and my grandmother stays on the "independent" side of a facility that does independent living, assisted living, and nursing care. This place also recently added a LOT of signs, indicating that weapons were not permitted on site. Very agitating.

Some of the hospitals here in Colorado are also very touchy about that subject, even for commissioned and on-duty law enforcement officers. There have been a couple of occasions where our guys have had to put a doctor in their place when they "ordered" us to disarm before talking to a victim in an ER. Fortunately those were at least isolated incidents, involving certain individuals on the hospital's staff (as a matter of policy, I don't think the hospital officially wants to disarm the cops, and we refuse to disarm for them anyway).

Still, it's pretty bad that things have gone so sideways in this country that the hospital employees don't even want the police officers to be armed! I can only imagine how badly they treat everyday citizens (and Colorado is a pretty good state for CCW).

I am not sure how one goes about "ordering" a sworn law enforcement officer (uniformed or not) to disarm, considering that they are exempt from most prohibitions in every state of which I am aware. And if the officer is there on official business, the doctor, nurse or administrator attempting to prevent the officer from entering, with sidearm, would quickly find themselves with a more pressing problem, like who was going to post their bail.

That being said, most hospitals have patients who are not mentally stable for one reason or another, and it's likely they are concerned about some of them obtaining a firearm.

Does their sign carry weight of law? If not, you have the option of ignoring it.

You are talking about a private business?

Their house, their rules.

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Except it's not a private residence. It's an open to the public business. They don't get to discriminate the way a homeowner (or renter) can. This is explicitly outlined in many respects, and I personally feel that it extends beyond the race/creed/color/sex/etc. that is specifially prohibited.

If the sign carries weight of law, then you are breaking the law if you choose to ignore it, and I cannot advocate that. But if it does not, then it is only an ethics issue, and I personally have no qualms about disregarding that sign unless the company explicitly accepts full responsibility for my own and my family's safety and accepts the corrosponding liability of limiting my ability to defend them.

Some of the hospitals here in Colorado are also very touchy about that subject

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And some have no signage at all, and it seems to have no rhyme or reason. Sky Ridge, a very large and relatively new facility, has no prohibition (at least not 5 months ago when my girl was there). But Swedish is a total disarmament zone with metal detectors in place and full time security guards.

I think you are cutting your nose off to spite your face (old saying) by taking your father out of a nursing home...Just a real bad decision IMHO...

I think you are cutting your nose off to spite your face (old saying) by taking your father out of a nursing home...Just a real bad decision IMHO...

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Let's be fair and assume that he is planning on putting him in another home with more agreeable policies.

or further, you can as them that being they deny you the ability to defend yourself what kind of protection do they offer, or what kind of financial backing do they have to withstand the lawsuits if something DID happen and you were a 'sitting duck' due to their policy

TexasBill said:

I am not sure how one goes about "ordering" a sworn law enforcement officer (uniformed or not) to disarm, considering that they are exempt from most prohibitions in every state of which I am aware. And if the officer is there on official business, the doctor, nurse or administrator attempting to prevent the officer from entering, with sidearm, would quickly find themselves with a more pressing problem, like who was going to post their bail.

That being said, most hospitals have patients who are not mentally stable for one reason or another, and it's likely they are concerned about some of them obtaining a firearm.

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In Florida:
Simple, "I do not allow firearms on my property, either disarm or get out!"
If they are not there on official business, this serves as a trespass warning, failure to abide may result felony charges, LEO or not.

MachIVshooter said:

Does their sign carry weight of law? If not, you have the option of ignoring it.



Except it's not a private residence. It's an open to the public business. They don't get to discriminate the way a homeowner (or renter) can. This is explicitly outlined in many respects, and I personally feel that it extends beyond the race/creed/color/sex/etc. that is specifially prohibited.

If the sign carries weight of law, then you are breaking the law if you choose to ignore it, and I cannot advocate that. But if it does not, then it is only an ethics issue, and I personally have no qualms about disregarding that sign unless the company explicitly accepts full responsibility for my own and my family's safety and accepts the corrosponding liability of limiting my ability to defend them.



And some have no signage at all, and it seems to have no rhyme or reason. Sky Ridge, a very large and relatively new facility, has no prohibition (at least not 5 months ago when my girl was there). But Swedish is a total disarmament zone with metal detectors in place and full time security guards.

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It's still private property. They can throw you out for any reason (Except being a member of a protected class) if you do something they don't like, or maybe just because you have a red t-shirt on.

Signs mean nothing in Florida, so I just don't pay any attention to them. If I'm ever asked to leave (has never happened) I leave. Simple.

It's pretty well known here in MN that certain spots are a NO-NO for carrying, Hospitals and even their satelitte clinics,schools and ANY school-owned property OR school-sponsered event, I carry concealed so alot of time i dont even give it a second thought.
Oh, yea and until recently TGI-Fridays restaurants didnt make their policy clear (sign camo_flauged into decor) so they can kiss my money Goodbye !!

AZ ust passed a law stating nobody tells on-duty LEOs to disarm, with very few exceptions, such as prisons. I can't imagine an ER staff member in this state trying to get a cop to disarm - that would just plain not happen.
I have never been in a hospital unarmed since I had my tonsils removed...