Let me be clear. This wouldn't technically be a shotgun, it'd be a handgun, like the Leinad .410/.45LC double barrel derringers. I'm wondering why no one hasn't made a more authentic-looking double barrel handgun similar to the Road Warrior gun. I realize it's uses would be limited, but people still buy the Judge, the Leinads, the Mare's Leg, etc, just because of their cultural influence. Does anyone but Leinad make them?
"Sawed Off" .410 double barrel?
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moonpie
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the judge kicked it off but the 410 craze seems to have a cult standing. personally i'd like to see a return of the old 1930s Auto Burglar for sentimental reasons.
Tallinar
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Why stop at .410? I'd like to see one like you're describing but in 16 or 20 guage.
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16 or 20 gauge would put it over .50 caliber, therefore making it NOT a hand gun.
A double barrel .410 "sawn-off" would have to have rifled barrels to stay in the realm of hand gun, making any kind of shot less effective (unless you are shooting doughnuts).
too many drawbacks to make it anything but a novelty. Still, I'd be down for it shooting slugs.
A double barrel .410 "sawn-off" would have to have rifled barrels to stay in the realm of hand gun, making any kind of shot less effective (unless you are shooting doughnuts).
too many drawbacks to make it anything but a novelty. Still, I'd be down for it shooting slugs.
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ITHICA made several models back in the teens and twenties called Auto&Burglar. 20 ga, 16ga and 12 ga. Our local sherrif had a couple of them back in the 70's in collier county florida. No rifleing in them barrels and now very illegal today.
Middlesex has both a flint-lock and cap-lock SxS 20ga.
http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/DoublePistols.shtml
http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/DoublePistols.shtml
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There are Ithaca Auto & Burglars out there in private hands, they fall under NFA rules as an AOW. The real prohibiting factor on those is the price. The last one I saw went at auction for over 8 thousand dollars. I should have bought one a long time ago when I thought 2 grand was waaay too high, but I foolishly didn't.
I'd love to have something like this, actually. The novelty would be really cool. Does anyone know of any place that sells virgin SxS shotgun receivers? I think this could be built pretty easily. Just order the receiver, built it like you would the standard SBS, but sleeve the shotgun barrels permanently with the rifled .410/.45lc barrels. Should be able to come out fairly cheaply using, say, a mix of stoeger and leinad parts.
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Boy thats a pile of money for one. Most also look new. I got to shot the 16ga version. Makes a nice fire ball at night and recoil was very stout. grip over the top with other hand before shooting. The recoil did push to the rear as much as back , guess the grip helped to control it. Not small pistols for sure.
mdauben
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Taurus was showing a 20ga version of their 'Judge' revolvers at a show not too long ago.
It was probably initially just meant as a publicity stunt, but tumor is that BATF shot down (if you will pardon the pun) the idea of acutally producing and selling this monster.
The Lone Haranguer
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Even with the "doughnut hole" pattern from a rifled barrel, I wouldn't want to stand in front of the three-pellet buckshot load, nor especially the slug load. 
hardluk1
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mdauben Look it up then look at the picture then call it what you want. IT was a handgun made in the mid teens in to the twenties. Some dumby today may not call it that but thats what it is.
Guess you could not figure out a missing T
Guess you could not figure out a missing T
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If i were going to spend cash on the NFA tax, I'd just saw down an old 12ga.
mdauben
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Huh?
Sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I double checked, and that gun was actually 28 guage (not 20) but still. If anyone is more interested, there's a video from Shot 2011 showcasing the monster.
Taurus demos Raging Judge 28-gauge Handgun
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Huh?
Sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I believe he's trying to tell you it's definitely not a handgun by legal definitions... I really didn't take his meaning either, and there's no reason to call someone a "dumby."
mdauben
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Huh, again.
Who called who a "dumby"? All I said was I didn't understand what he was trying to say.
Huh, again.
Who called who a "dumby"? All I said was I didn't understand what he was trying to say.
I just assumed you were "some dumby" by his definition.
But the 28 gauge was ruled out as being a handgun round, so that model will not longer take off because each sale would require a $200 tax stamp.
CoRoMo
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He was a handgun. He used to be a firearm, almost a century ago.
forindooruseonly
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Yeah. That's what I did. But it just isn't the same... What I have is a sawed-off double barreled Ithaca, as opposed to an authentic Ithaca Auto & Burglar. Not nearly as cool, IMO. The rarity, the historical aspect, the fact that it was made like that by the factory, not by somebody chopping on a perfectly good side by side, makes a huge difference to me. Different strokes for different folks. I want the original.
There are a couple of major differences between a sawed off gun and the Auto & Burglar, particularly in the grip. The tang, triggers and wood sweep down an a steeper angle on the Auto & Burglar, giving it much more of a pistol grip.
I just couldn't justify a $8k purchase.
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mdauben Guess you couldn't figure out the missing T in the word ( it ). Not every one can type 100
addedpulp Even if the ithica is a 100 years old it was a handgun when and now just waaay to costly if you could find one and not easy to make legal. Just a cool old handgun. Only ones I have seen are no longer side by side . They were american and bond derringers and one company Spuper Commche made a single barrel boot gun type, longer barrel that sells for 175 bucks if still in business. sone-in-laws dad bought one a couple weeks back.
addedpulp Even if the ithica is a 100 years old it was a handgun when and now just waaay to costly if you could find one and not easy to make legal. Just a cool old handgun. Only ones I have seen are no longer side by side . They were american and bond derringers and one company Spuper Commche made a single barrel boot gun type, longer barrel that sells for 175 bucks if still in business. sone-in-laws dad bought one a couple weeks back.
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Even an explanation is difficult to understand.
It might be worth noting, mdauben wasn't the one making fun of you for saying "I" rather than "it." May want to check who you're responding to before unleashing the snark, especially when your posts have such difficulty making snese.
They also make an 11" version. The issue is it looks more like a cheap tool than a decent firearm.
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