Hikock45's comment on Smith & Wesson M&P trigger vs Glock trigger

Lighter is generally better, but...
First, subjective feel can matter more than small measured differences.
Second, measured trigger pulls can vary a good deal from catalog descriptions.
Those numbers have way too many decimal places. 5.6 and 6.5 lbs are not really a difference in mass produced guns built out of stamped parts.

I traded a M&P9, for a G19 because of that sweet trigger An Apex sear can help, but no thanks.

I respect Hickock45's opinion, but regarding the M&P, his opinion differs from mine.

Had an M&P and sold it because of the trigger's "snap." Bought a SR9c and never looked back.

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The actual weight of a trigger pull is less important than crispness or consistency. I'd much rather have a 5-6 lb trigger that broke crisply at exactly the same pull weight everytime than a 3-4 lb trigger that was mushy and sometimes broke at 3 lbs and other times at 4 lbs.

I much prefer the Glock trigger because if it's consistency and crispness.

im like hikock, never really pulled a trigger i didn't like, my carry piece is an LC9

Don't know the man myself and I don't rely on web video opinion to make up my mind.

Some will prefer one trigger to another for reasons entirely their own. Honestly, anyone who thinks the Glock or M&P stock triggers are a deciding factor ought to have their head examined. Both can be improved exponentially with a bit of effort but neither will ever be a great trigger. Maybe Jewel or Timney will someday offer drop in modules but until that day I'll base decisions on reliability, accuracy, ergonomics, simplicity and warranty.

Which ever you chose or choose, base it on the idea that things like trigger and sights ought to be modified (and modifiable) to suit your individual needs.

I prefer the trigger of the M&Ps in general. I like the reset of the Glock but the trigger of the M&P is just "smoother" to me.

97guns said:

im like hikock, never really pulled a trigger i didn't like, my carry piece is an LC9

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You've obviously never fired a Taurus PT111 millenium...

I have a PT145....LOL you pull it to where it stops then pull it a little harder to make it go boom.

Oh and I don't mind the trigger on my M&P 9c but I can't shoot it for crap for some reason.

thanks 97 guns, this could be my new signiture...'never really pulled a trigger i didn't like'

I love the M&P triggers, the apex helps make it better but I can rock the stock one. Personally I hate the trigger blade in the Glocks. Its just my preference, not the gospel, just preference.

I guess we are all entitled to our opinions. I really don't like M&P triggers at all.

Having both the S&W MP9 and Glock G17 there are the oblivious differences in trigger design. Having more experience with the Glock G17 I tended at first to have a preference for the Glock as opposed to the S&W. Firing both on a regular basis I’ve become accustomed to both trigger systems. I’m not into modifying the trigger systems of handguns be they semiautomatic pistol or double action revolvers that are dedicated for CCW.

We make decisions constantly be they good, bad, or indifferent. You’ll prosper or fail by your decisions but in the end no one promises you tomorrow.

The trigger on my M&P wasn't great when I bought it but after bout round 500 its better than ANY other striker fired pistol I have shot.

I own a G26 and have shot a friends SR9(IMO the worst) and XD.

The actual weight of a trigger pull is less important than crispness or consistency. I'd much rather have a 5-6 lb trigger that broke crisply at exactly the same pull weight everytime than a 3-4 lb trigger that was mushy and sometimes broke at 3 lbs and other times at 4 lbs.

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I think there's more to it than that, even. I have SA pistols that I can't shoot well, despite having consistent and crisp triggers. The problem with them is the heavy weight plus the overtravel. It's very difficult to keep the sights still with that combination.

well if some guy on youtube says so, that's good enough for me.

I like my NY1 trigger in my Glocks. Who is Hicock45 and what makes him an expert 'cept You Tube??

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I like my NY1 trigger in my Glocks. Who is Hicock45 and what makes him an expert 'cept You Tube??

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He's far from an expert. he's a simply glock fan with a bunch of YouTube videos. He's a good shot, so he gives many the mistaken impression of authority.

I've never heard Hickok comment on the heaviness of a trigger...if anything he has tried to dismiss the fact that heavy triggers are to be scorned. He has done several videos shooting revolvers double action.

What I have heard him comment about is travel before break. He seems to like a short travel...the M&P seems to have a shorter travel. It is his opinion...no reason to let it shape yours, form your own opinion.

well if some guy on youtube says so, that's good enough for me.

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There's a lot of goofy folks on Youtube, but Hickok ain't one of them. He's an excellent shot, knows his stuff, and is not a mall ninja type. He may be part of the "new media" movement, but he's more more akin to an established gun writer at this point.

Now, it may be that you don't trust any reviewers regardless of source, and that's fine, but don't lump Hickok in with the mall ninjas.

He's a good shot, so he gives many the mistaken impression of authority.

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Yeah, he's well versed on firearms and obviously knows how to use them well . . . he can't possibly know what he's talking about .

Hickok doesn't make his bias a secret. In nearly every video he produces, regardless of the subject matter, he's wearing Glock promotional items like hats, shirts, etc. He's a Glocker, through and through.

Does that mean you should dismiss his opinion? I don't think so. Sure, you can't expect an unbiased opinion from him but then who here isn't biased towards a particular brand or model of firearm that you shoot well? Hickok chooses to be honest about his bias and announces it in every video with his attire. He doesn't try to disclaim his affinity for Glock products in the slightest. It's admirable, IMHO. You know where you stand with his opinions because he's upfront about it.

As someone else mentioned, he's about as established as one can get in terms of being a gun writer. The guy owns, shoots and has experience with a wider spectrum of firearms than most posters here. That gives him a unique perspective on things, which means his opinion, while perhaps biased, is rooted in actual experience vs. what someone else may have read in a magazine or online.

I don't think Hickock45 holds himself out as an "expert." To the contrary, he seems to disclaim such titles on a regular basis. He simply makes observations. He acknowledges his own preferences and biases. He "shows his work" anytime he is taking an affirmative position. He would be the first to tell you, I think, not to rely blindly on anything he says. He may not qualify as an expert, but he is, IMO, an extremely credible witness/source of information.

BTW, I do not care for Glocks at all, though I respect them. Despite Hickock45's affinity for them, I still really enjoy his videos.

I agree ATLDave. I too believe he's a very credible source of information. He also is very entertaining to watch. He's funny, articulate, creative, and his videos are more fun to watch than most.

Yeah, he's well versed on firearms and obviously knows how to use them well . . . he can't possibly know what he's talking about .

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prove it.

post a link to a video of his where he addresses something other than aesthetics, ergonomics, or basic features listed on a million websites.

i can tell you he's mentioned in at least one vid that he's "no expert".


not ragging on the guy, but i don't consider him any type of authority or expert just because he films himself shooting.