.30 Remington AR....No love

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I love AR's and to me the .30 AR looks like a sweet cartridge option except I think I may be the only person who thinks so.
The numbers look pretty good to me from a 20" bbl and there are scads of decent bullets available to the reloader right?
Can anyone tell me why there are so few apparent fans of this little round?
 
It is a great cartridge, with great potential. If it didn't have Remington backing it, it would probably be in a better situation in the market. Unfortunately, that seems to be standard for when Remington's R&D hands over controls to marketing. This year it looks like they let AAC do their heavy lifting and appear to be having better success.
 
I hope it will catch on, but it hasn't yet. It is a deer cartridge and there are already lots of those. While the AR is a fine hunting platform, there are already lots of other rifles that work just fine, so a better deer cartridge that can be fit into an AR-15 size rifle is not exactly earth shaking news.

I want the caliber to succeed because it is the kind of thing that allows more nearly general purpose usefulness from the AR-15. It is reasonable for the bolt action scout concept to give way eventually to a light self loader, and this cartridge is a step in that direction, though not the equal of the mighty .308.
 
I saw that AR Performance has discontinued their foray into the AAC.
I quote; " The 300AAC project was a miserable failure, it was inaccurate,
Remington never delivered the huge amounts of ammo promised, and now they are re-engineering the ammo. The mags do not work without modification.
Subsonic performance on anything other than paper is terrible and supersonic performance is 400fps slower than the 6.8 velocities so we have decided to abandon the 300 AAC project.
ARP is a very well respected house especially in the 6.8 arena. aybe I'll see if they're interested in doing a .30 AR for me?
 
Kendal Black said:
I want the caliber to succeed because it is the kind of thing that allows more nearly general purpose usefulness from the AR-15. It is reasonable for the bolt action scout concept to give way eventually to a light self loader, and this cartridge is a step in that direction, though not the equal of the mighty .308.
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I agree, but it doesn't offer too much more than the 6.8 SPC or 6.5G in terms of performance. The way it was originally marketed too made it seem too much of a one-off.
 
Stack said:
I saw that AR Performance has discontinued their foray into the AAC.
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ARP is a very well respected house especially in the 6.8 arena. aybe I'll see if they're interested in doing a .30 AR for me?
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I don't want to comment on that too much because the other threads (elsewhere) that have touched on it went downhill fast. I will say that there is some backstory to that decision, and it is his business. If you want a .30 option from them, ARP is considering considering doing a run of .30 HRT with estimated performance of 125gr at 2600 and a 110gr at 2800fps.
 
The .30 AR is really just a supercharged .300 Blackout, with the first being friendly to hunters, and the latter being friendly to suppressors and the tactical crowd.

The thing is, the .300 Blackout is fairly decent for hunting if someone wanted to make it work, and the .30 Remington AR is only marginally better. The biggest difference between the performance of these calibers is the .30 AR works better out of a 20"-22" barrel, but the Blackout works better in a 16"-18" barrel.


Obviously the .300 Blackout is a bit more popular than the .30 AR, so I would probably opt for an 20"-24" variant in .300 Blackout to squeeze out a little better performance. I suspect the .30 AR will have a short life because of the Blackout...
 
Ranger30-06 said:
The .30 AR is really just a supercharged .300 Blackout, with the first being friendly to hunters, and the latter being friendly to suppressors and the tactical crowd.

The thing is, the .300 Blackout is fairly decent for hunting if someone wanted to make it work, and the .30 Remington AR is only marginally better. The biggest difference between the performance of these calibers is the .30 AR works better out of a 20"-22" barrel, but the Blackout works better in a 16"-18" barrel.


Obviously the .300 Blackout is a bit more popular than the .30 AR, so I would probably opt for an 20"-24" variant in .300 Blackout to squeeze out a little better performance. I suspect the .30 AR will have a short life because of the Blackout...
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I would hardly call a 500+ fps velocity advantage as "margional"

Think of it this way the difference between 300blk and 30rar is about the same as comparing 30/30 to 30/06

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68wj said:
I don't want to comment on that too much because the other threads (elsewhere) that have touched on it went downhill fast. I will say that there is some backstory to that decision, and it is his business. If you want a .30 option from them, ARP is considering considering doing a run of .30 HRT with estimated performance of 125gr at 2600 and a 110gr at 2800fps.
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I had an hrt upper.

Still have the bbl

Can't even give it away.

But yeah you're pretty close on its performance.

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Hey dale, ill take the barrel... If your just giving it away, ill give her a great home atop my AR. In all seriousness... I mean it...

As to the 30 ar, it would have done a lot better if it came out at the same time as the 6.5 grendal. Remington really droped the ball on the 6.8 spc, and then was shown up buy a bunch of guys who resercted the 6.8, and made it what it is today. Remington still feels that in its side... They were only interested in scoring a big military contract and once that feel through, they pitched the 6.8. Big mistake. Now there just trying to copy others to stay in the game. (300 blakout) Look at there rebadged dpms's with pretty paint jobs... Never really cared for remington..... Dont know why... :rolleyes:
 
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If you have a 30-30 you can load a 125 grain HP to 2500-2600 fps, and have the same ballistics.
 
Eb1 said:
If you have a 30-30 you can load a 125 grain HP to 2500-2600 fps, and have the same ballistics.
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Except for falling way short of.

That's still almost 300 fps shy of what the RAR is doing with those weight bullets and not with nice pointey spitzers

30hrt will do that through an ar15 magazine again with nice pointey bullets


What is with all the levergun guys crawling out from around the baseboards lately and deraling EVERY thread to be about their choice platform

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If you have a 30-30 you can load a 125 grain HP to 2500-2600 fps, and have the same ballistics.
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Except for falling way short of.

That's still almost 300 fps shy of what the RAR is doing with those weight bullets and not with nice pointey spitzers

30hrt will do that through an ar15 magazine again with nice pointey bullets


What is with all the levergun guys crawling out from around the baseboards lately and deraling EVERY thread to be about their choice platform
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I think the thread is about the .30 AR not the .30 hrt. But I don't see where the .30 AR offers much over the old tried and true 7.62x39. Sure its a few more feet per second on what I'm reading tho that is kinda debatable (stats I read were for a 24 inch test barrel for the .30AR, didn't say what length for 7.62x39) Even if it does provide in my opinion a marginal advantage I'm not sure I see a real need for it personally.

The real reason I think its not getting much love is the same reason many new cartridges don't, they are something new, not the tried and true ones. Sure a few people will jump on the newfangled boat, others that don't see a big advantage will wait and see if it sinks or floats.

Oh and just for the record with the 7.62x39 ya can keep ya pointy bullets if that is all that important to ya, even feed em thru high capacity magazines.

What I really don't get where all you other semi auto guys get ya panties in a bunch because someone mentions a .30-30 that you automatically assume to be a tube fed lever gun.:scrutiny: My .30-30 is bolt action and feeds off a removable magazine and I can shoot pointy bullets just fine in it.
 
I don't know about these lever gun guys.
I mean I just purchased a Dissipator with FN HF 1:7 twist 16" upper with MOE hand guards in 5.56 with a mid-length gas system. What is up with these lever guys? Seems they don't know anything but lever guns.
I was giving suggestions/making comments based on velocity and weight of the bullets in question, and I guarantee that most deer are shot below 100 yards at least in the south. So your little pointy bullets don't really mean anything. I bet the Sierra 125 grain HP @ 2500 fps does a better job than you think. Try it sometime. You might like it.
I wasn't trying to steer the OP away from what gun they like. I was just making suggestions and comparisons of .30 calibers in different platforms with different types of bullets, but you know us lever guys only like lever guns. What do we know?


P.S. At 5 AM I will be in the woods with a .25-06 with pointy bullets moving about 500 fps faster than your pointy bullets. Just for the record.


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I think the .30 rar is a really niffty little cartridge I dont want it in an AR, id like it in a mini mauser :D or other small bolt gun. Hand load data for it looks pretty good.
 
But I don't see where the .30 AR offers much over the old tried and true 7.62x39. Sure its a few more feet per second
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I think you're confused here. The HRT is the one with a slim advantage over 7.62x39. The Remington round has a few HUNDRED fps over it. It's more in line with .308.
 
It looks like the .30 AR is about 200-300 FPS slower in the 150 grain bullet range than most .308 ammo I'm looking at. Not to mention that there is a wider range of bullet weights and types available for the .308 .

I guess what I'm asking is other than a lighter platform in general does it offer any advantage over the .308?

I'm sure its a great little new cartridge don't get me wrong I was pretty impressed when I looked up the velocity and energy specs on it. I suppose it fits in the gap between 7.62x39 and .308 quiet nicely. That being said and already having both of them I don't see anything it can do for me realistically that neither of them can't already do.
 
jojo200517 said:
I think the thread is about the .30 AR not the .30 hrt. But I don't see where the .30 AR offers much over the old tried and true 7.62x39. Sure its a few more feet per second on what I'm reading tho that is kinda debatable (stats I read were for a 24 inch test barrel for the .30AR, didn't say what length for 7.62x39) Even if it does provide in my opinion a marginal advantage I'm not sure I see a real need for it personally.

The real reason I think its not getting much love is the same reason many new cartridges don't, they are something new, not the tried and true ones. Sure a few people will jump on the newfangled boat, others that don't see a big advantage will wait and see if it sinks or floats.

Oh and just for the record with the 7.62x39 ya can keep ya pointy bullets if that is all that important to ya, even feed em thru high capacity magazines.

What I really don't get where all you other semi auto guys get ya panties in a bunch because someone mentions a .30-30 that you automatically assume to be a tube fed lever gun.:scrutiny: My .30-30 is bolt action and feeds off a removable magazine and I can shoot pointy bullets just fine in it.
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I've killed deer at over 275yds with a 7.62x39mm ar15, I've built a benchrest rifle in that caliber and then "improved" it. I'm pretty sure I'm well versed in what its capable of. High capacity and 7.62x39 in the Ar15 = FAIL

If I tell you 30rar is an ENORMOUS step up then you can bank on that fact.


Oh and your 30/30 can only shoot the shortest stumpiest pointy bullets at fairly low pressures before it starts throwing shots wildly. Cause see I've owned a 340 or two a BFR and a 788 all chambered for 30/30. So I have a pretty good idea of what's possible there too.....;-)....k

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Stack said:
I love AR's and to me the .30 AR looks like a sweet cartridge option except I think I may be the only person who thinks so.
The numbers look pretty good to me from a 20" bbl and there are scads of decent bullets available to the reloader right?
Can anyone tell me why there are so few apparent fans of this little round?
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There has actually been a better round than that since 1939, but it fell out of favor because it was NAZI & that is the 7.92x33 Kurz.........
 
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303tom said:
There has actually been a better round than that since 1939, but it fell out of favor because it was NAZI & that is the 7.92x33 Kurz.........
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How exactly is a 125 .323" bullet at 2200fps better than a 125g .308" bullet at 2750fps

I'm dying to know the reasoning behind this revelation

Heck my 450 upper moves bullets weighing 2x the mass of 7.92x33 at the same velocity

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303tom said:
There has actually been a better round than that since 1939, but it fell out of favor because it was NAZI & that is the 7.92x33 Kurz.........
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Edit, Mr. Dale answered the question and it seems that it is, indeed, not better (or even very good).
 
Nothing really personal against lever guns, I have one and have had several but I really only have interest in the .30 Rem AR because it will chamber in an AR 15 and anything that will work in an AR can work in any other platform, obviously not in a tube but they do make clip fed levers etc. I have had a couple 7.62 x 39's in a mini 30 but I would not consider the round in an AR. I just think the little .30 AR deserves a bigger following. I'm looking for my next AR chambering and if not for the lack of support I'd be on it for sure.
 
If a guy that prefers the AR platfoum wants a better deer cartidge than a .223/5/56 the 30 rem, and the 6.8spc could be a better and choice in a lighter weight short barreled rifle. Thats all its about. Will it make it? Probably not but time will tell.
 
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