What will the Anti's blame for deaths now?

George Bush

Smoking, drinking, fornicating (with other than your spouse), sugar, salt, obesity, lack of exercise, lack of fiber in the diet, etc. etc. ad nauseum. The greatest single cause of death is stupidity, and you can't fix that.

What will the Anti's say now that "guns" aren't even involved in the Top 15 of deaths anymore?

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Well, Homicide stats didn't ever mention guns specifically.

"Homicides" they count also includes knives, plastic bags, baseball bats, automobiles, kitchen cooking pots, gasoline, matches, rope, bare hands, cement shoes, garden tools, monkey wrenches, ice picks, and anything and everything else you could have used to kill someone.


But what will the gun grabbers say?

They won't say anything, just as always.
They have never ever in history used actual facts or stats to support their views.

rc

It will always be guns. You seem to be operating under the assumption that these people actually care about what people die from and that they actually care whether or not gun control "saves lives". Their motives are NOT honorable and gun control is part of their agenda of the destruction of American Liberty.

Republicans, because they hate water, air, organic foods and Smart cars.

rcmodel said:

But what will the gun grabbers say?

They won't say anything, just as always.
They have never ever in history used actual facts or stats to support their views.

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You can't reason with people whose cognitive model doesn't accept data which detracts from their beliefs.


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I fully expect that the Brady Campaign and the like will do a full assessment of the data, come to a logical conclusion and accept that they have been wrong all this time. Then they will close up shop, shake hands with Wayne Lapierre and, just like that, we'll all have CCW.

I didn't think I was going to make it through typing all of that...

my guess is that they will gladly trumpet these findings. "if homicide is down, and we are tirelessly fighting the ownership of guns," they will say, "then we must be the reason, now let's do more!"
Reason, of course, will never enter into the equation.

Twinkies and Ho-Ho's

I fully expect that the Brady Campaign and the like will do a full assessment of the data, come to a logical conclusion and accept that they have been wrong all this time. Then they will close up shop, shake hands with Wayne Lapierre and, just like that, we'll all have CCW.

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I thought I knew what was going on, at least around the edges. When I read this I thought some kind of alternate reality must have kicked in when I was sleeping...

OK, sarcasm. I'm up to date now.

courtgreene said:

my guess is that they will gladly trumpet these findings. "if homicide is down, and we are tirelessly fighting the ownership of guns," they will say, "then we must be the reason, now let's do more!"
Reason, of course, will never enter into the equation.

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Whatever they are doing isn't working. If anything, gun rights have been increasing recently, not decreasing.

Anti-gun activists will always be anti-gun activists. It doesn't matter if the number of total deaths resulting from guns is 13 or 13,000. For them, until the number of deaths from guns and gun-shaped objects is zero, they will not stop.

The trick is to make sure we live in a society where their voice is never anything more than a particularly noisy and irksome minority with no actual political power.

In my state more deer hunters are killed and injured by falling out of tree stands than by firearms.

Ignore ye not gravity lest the ground riseth up and smite the dead.

In my state more deer hunters are killed and injured by falling out of tree stands than by firearms.

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But they had a gun in their hands so it was a "gun related death."

Along with other groups who wish to rob Americans of freedom, they will continue blaming anything and everything that they wish to curtail/control/ban, because they cannot allow their agenda to be sidetracked by facts, logic, or rational analysis.

I cannot believe you are all falling for the bogus homicide statistics.

It is a well-concealed fact that all death is caused by guns and that virtually all NRA dues are spent to bribe coroners into falsifying other non-gun causes onto 98.7% of death certificates.

Twinkies and Ho-Ho's

Not hardly. Hostess said today they will be seeking Chapter 11 protection. Oh my, what will we do now?

Hoplophobes - regardless of how low the number - will always decry the "gun death toll " ! Just as they will always ignore even the most conservative estimates of victim death prevention by firearms ! They will even cite those "defensive deaths" as being statistically significant as a "firearm death" ! IOW these luddites are convinced the demon lies in the inanimate device not in the mind of perp ! Take away the guns and they'll move on to some other instrument ! >MW

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What will the Anti's say now that "guns" aren't even involved in the Top 15 of deaths anymore? They really like to say that "guns" are the highest cause of deaths in the US.




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The 'Gun control' lobby isn't about guns....it's about control. They don't care about gun crime...in fact they welcome it as long as the people pulling the trigger are what the Reds called "socially friendly elements", that is professional criminals. They passionately hate and fear the common citizen, and want our guns so they can control us. In the furtherance of that goal there is no lie or tactic they won't stoop to...hence Fast and Furious.

They'll still use lower crime rates as a reason to ban guns. Anti-gun folks will simply say crime is down, so no one needs a gun; and if no one needs one, then they shouldn't be allowed to have one.

The anti gun people don't need a reason, they continue to complain about people being able to own "military style assault rifles" yet the murder rate with rifles is incredibly low(358 per year) compared to knives and other cutting and stabbing weapons(1,704 per year), blunt objects(540 per year), and people getting beaten to death or getting pushed(745 per year). Funny you never hear about knife or blunt object control groups.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc.../crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

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The trick is to make sure we live in a society where their voice is never anything more than a particularly noisy and irksome minority with no actual political power.

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Is it too much to ask that one day our rights, sanctified and enumerated in the Constitution, are simply unquestionable? Regardless of the wills and wants of any group to try to limit the rights of others???

Is it too much to ask that one day our rights, sanctified and enumerated in the Constitution, are simply unquestionable? Regardless of the wills and wants of any group to try to limit the rights of others???

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In case you haven't noticed, practically every civil right enumerated under the bill of rights has been under attack. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance and all that.

My personal experience with "anti"s leads me to the following observations:

A typical "anti" sees guns as inherently evil. They feel this very strongly on a pre-rational level. Their "thought" process on this issue is based on emotions and gut feelings. Something like: "guns can be used to kill people, killing people is bad, I don't want to be killed, therefore I'm afraid of guns and no one should have them." They do not give any weight to the ideas that guns can be useful tools, can put food on the table or can save innocents by stopping the advance of that which is truly evil.

These people are your typical "sheep" of the "sheepdog" concept. You cannot reason with them because their opinions are not based on reasoning. Any attempts to even discuss the topic will drive many of them into a fear reaction or at least upset them greatly.

I personally know several folks like this. I was even trying to marry one up until a few months ago, despite all the red flags. (Other issues broke us up. It's complicated.)

I'd love to dismiss these folks completely, but the older I get the more I've learned to trust my own guts. I can't really fault them for doing the same thing. I can only hope that a little exposure to positive examples might change their perspectives.


As far as "anti"s who are in government, I see three types:
1) True believers (like those above),
2) Those who are pandering, and
3) Those who want absolute power.

Tiberius67 said:

The 'Gun control' lobby isn't about guns....it's about control.

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This. (emphasis is mine.)

It seems to me that there are far too many on both the left and right that want to absolutely control every aspect of everyone's life, and will stop at nothing to achieve that control. Machiavelli would be impressed and humbled by the current state of affairs.