February 14th Support Starbuck's.

And ARE YOU KIDDING ME about the language that article uses? Is that really a news story, not an editorial?

Sounds legit to me. PR Newswire is generally accepted as a respected source in scholarly writing.

I find it pretty ridiculous that the author(s) compared England's homicide numbers to the US', claiming the England's "sane gun laws" are to credit, while completely ignoring the fact that England's total population is roughly the same as the populations of California, Oregon, and Washington states (about 51 million for England; about 48 million for just those three states). What a joke. Talk about twisted statistics.

At first I thought "What kind of editor would allow such a poorly written/researched article(unless they had an agenda)" until I saw this at the top of the page:

This section contains unedited press releases distributed by PR Newswire. These releases reflect the views of the issuing entity and are not reviewed or edited by the Sacramento Bee staff. More information on PR Newswire can be found on their web site. You can contact the service with questions or concerns here.

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and this:

By National Gun Victims Action Council

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This is a direct posting from NGVAC and was not vetted or endorsed by the Sac Bee. Please keep that in mind before you send any e-mails to the paper.

We all benefit when we come off as the more reasonable and calmer side of the debate.

Well, I've been trying to eat healither...but I think I'll stop in at Starbucks on Valentines day now.

I honestly don't think starbucks is pro or con anything.

As Starbucks themselves said in a press release (which I may be misremembering) they are complying with the state laws, wherever this establishment may be at. Seeing this in conjunction with their "offend nobody" policy of not hiring people who will not cover up even small tattoos ... it seems more a corporate policy of "no offense" rather than any kind of activism. they're all about the corporate status-quo. Not anybody's rights.

Just because some business allows guns doesn't make them pro or anti gun. It makes them want people's money. Believe it or not, there is such a thing as a gray area, rather than a black and white "with us or against us" sort of situation.

As usual, any business's preference NEVER trumps my constitutional amendment rights.

It would be kind of nice to don my assault rifle while sipping a hot Earl Grey with lemon. Imagine all the nice new friends you would make.

For me, the fact that they're willing to stay out of it is enough personally. I'd rather they let people that obey the law, obey the law without further problems. If they don't want to make a stand for guns, at least make sure they have good reason not to make a stand AGAINST guns.

For me, the fact that they're willing to stay out of it is enough personally [...]

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Being one of the demographic who doesn't often benefit from this mentality I can't say agree. My decision to vote with what little money I have, my feet and most importantly my vote depends on more than one issue, especially in a corporate setting where my political vote matters precious little!
But to keep this guns related, I don't mind at all (obviously) that they're letting people OC, CCW or whatever in states that allow this .... but keep in mind, in states where this is illegal they will call the cops just as well as any other business. Think a starbucks in NYC ... Remember: in this case corporate policy is "we do whatever the state says and get any people who live there to drink our stuff." Just keeping this in perspective.

It would be kind of nice to don my assault rifle while sipping a hot Earl Grey with lemon.

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C'mon down, legal here. Don't see it at all, but legal.

I think I may finally break down and buy a cup of coffee there...do they have regular old every day coffee?

Hmm, if they make shakes my son would have one, but NOTHING with caffeine for an 11 year old!

armoredman said:

do they have regular old every day coffee?

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Yes, but definitely not cheap.....

Yeah, I remember a while back when groups were putting pressure on them to ban guns. They simply said: "we abide by local laws". Sure, they're out to make money, but that still means that the bean counters (pardon the coffee pun) realize that it's better for business to support local laws than it is to cave into some fringe group's demands. So still I'll support them.

If that group really cared about the victims, they'd give them free firearms training.

We've come to a very sad place when we're excited when a business doesn't violate our rights.

They tried the same thing last year. Starbucks business increased because of the publicity. I would not say that Starbucks is necessarily pro-gun. They just said they weren't going to get involved in the politics, and if a person was legal and a customer, that's all they cared about.

I think they got more positive reaction from just not caving in to political pressure and focusing on doing business.

I'll make sure to go get a cup of tea, and maybe even buy a couple of their overpriced mugs as a gift for my girlfriend!!

2WheelsGood said:

Are you just bothered by their success? Or do you have a more valid reason for that comment?

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[obvious sarcasm ]
Don't you know!?!? They use coffee that isn't AAAMMMUUURRIIKAN! Their coffee beans are taking American coffee bean jobs!! [ / obvious sarcasm ]

My son works for Starbucks in Mi. The store he works at follows the Corp. policy and State Law on open carry. It is also frequented by the local PD as it is at a nexus in their patrol area.

It was funny/nice/refreshing to see see a local PD and an OC fella doctoring their coffee up with creme and sugar and talking firearms while most of the other people in the place ignored them.

I agree they are probably not "pro-gun" in the sense of the term we may think, but in this day and age, where seemingly every business has the "no guns allowed on premises" signs, it is nice that they respect the law. I really do think in this case, "no opinion" is better than nothing.

We've come to a very sad place when we're excited when a business doesn't violate our rights.

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Well said!

Sgt_R said:

I chose "Corporate Social Responsibility" from the drop-down.

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I did too. I kept it very nice...

As a frequent Starbucks customer and a responsible gun owner, I simply wanted to thank you for defaulting to our local laws in spite of pressure to make a political stand on an issue that has nothing to do with coffee.

Thank you, and I'll see you on Valentine's Day.

hso said:

This is an RKBA issue and THR is an RKBA forum. Any organization has issues that can be brought up, but here RKBA is our only focus.

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Not to mention that nothing in that post was even remotely true:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp

http://news.starbucks.com/about+starbucks/myths+facts/militarydonations.htm

Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread!

R

I will now be buying an extra cup of coffee for my friends, in the name of every, "starbucks are bad for amerika!" post in this thread

cannibal4 said:

I wont be there!

Recently Marines in Iraq wrote to Starbucks because they wanted to let
them know how much they liked their coffees and to request that they send
some of it to the troops there.

Starbucks replied, telling the Marines thank you for their support of
their business, but that Starbucks does not support the war, nor anyone i
n it,
and that they would not send the troops their brand of coffee.

So as not to offend Starbucks, maybe we should not support them by buying
any of their products! I feel we should get this out in the open. I know
this war might not be very popular with some folks, but that doesn't mean we
don't support the boys on the ground fighting street-to-street and
house-to-house.



Semper Fidelis.
Sgt. Howard C. Wright
1st Force Recon Co
1st Plt PLT

Also, don't forget that when the Twin Trade Towers were hit the fire
fighters and rescue workers went to Starbucks because it was close by for water
for the survivors and workers and Starbucks charged them!!

JUST A NOTE TO THIS; STARBUCKS HAD STORES ON SEVERAL MILITARY BASES IN
THE UNITED STATES. THEY ARE NOW BEING REMOVED BECAUSE OF THIS.[

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How hard is it to at least google the rumors you hear???
I mean, is critical thinking completely lost on everyone?

http://news.starbucks.com/about+starbucks/myths+facts/militarydonations.htm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp

where seemingly every business has the "no guns allowed on premises" signs

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That definitely depends on location. Here in NW Washington, the only "No Guns" sign we see are required due to prohibition of guns in over 21 places by liquor control board.