ar-15 trigger

I am looking into a new trigger myself. I think the timney would be i wuld go with...now a quick noob question, what is the difference between a single stage and a two stage trigger? and are any special tools needed to install the new trigger?

I have the JP and love it. I also have a RRA match and two Chip McCormick drop-ins in other AR's which are also good. I have not shot the Timney but people say they like it, I have Timneys in a couple of custom Mausers and they work good in those applications.

To be honest I don't think you can go wrong with anything built by JP.

The RRA trigger is the best buy for the money spent.

I like my Timeny 3-1/2lb. It has a very short pull and an even shorter reset. The installation is easy enough, but i don't like the 2 little jam set screws that are used to lock it down. If they back out, it could be a pain. It hasn't been an issue since i got it last year and about 12 3 guns matches. I think i will go with the geissele S3G next time. I like the 3 piece design of it better. It is assembled more like a standard trigger.

I prefer a single stage in action type matches.

I have a 4lb Timney on my precision AR and am very happy with it. It's clean and very crisp. I probably would not put one on a hard use or defensive rifle though. Installation is simple, it drops right in. Use blue loctite on the set screws.

I have an AR with a rock river 2 stage and it is really nice. it pushed my gun to sub MOA groups. the only trigger I've seen rated higher than the RRA is geiselle (I butchered that) and it costs about twice as much as the RRA in some cases.

I have a JP trigger on one of my AR's, but I think I will try a Chip McCormick drop in trigger on my other one that I just put together....

I've read that the RRA match trigger wears out quickly. I wasn't convinced until mine crapped out. It was very nice for 5k rounds or so, then I noticed that the difference between the first and second stages was less distinct. From there it was a rapid decline until it became a single stage trigger. However, for the price it's a great trigger, as long as you don't expect it last a real long time. I liked it enough that I replaced it with another RRA.

I also have a Jewell trigger which is a lot more expensive and a bit more difficult to install. It has first and second stage, and over travel adjustments, and it really is a much nicer trigger than the RRA match. It's also lasted a great deal longer than my RRA match trigger and is not showing any signs of degradation. The Jewell has been around a good long time now, but no longer has the "flavor of the month" sexiness like Geissele is enjoying. Worth a look in any case.

http://www.algdefense.com/

If you're willing to wait a bit, this company was started by Amy Geissele to produce great triggers at a decent price point. They're using standard trigger components polishing and hard lubricating them and throwing in a bunch of Geissele spring and the such.

From early reports they seem to be what most people want, just a very nice single stage trigger, for not too much money. Expect the same durability and maintenance routine (read minimal) of the standard trigger.

I'm gonna order a few once they hit the market.

http://geissele.com/supersemi-automatic.aspx

My firend has this trigger and it is amazing. Or wait for the way cheaper ALGdefense trigger.

I second the Geissele triggers. They are excellent. My favorite is the SD-3G with a flat face. I didn't think much of it until I started shooting one and fell in love with it.

I have two 3 pound Timneys on my varmint AR's and use the same lowers in IPSC 3 Gun at times. Excellent triggers IMHO. I have about a half dozen other custom triggers and these are as reliable as the others.

I recently purchased a new Giselle High Speed Trigger to shot in F-class. I put the Match Trigger spirings in it and spent about an hour getting all the adjustments to my liking. I have been working up loads with it off the bench (6X45 BHW 24") and it is by far the best trigger I have ever shot on an AR!! I am scrounging in the couch for nickles and dimes to buy another one so I can have to truly match grade lowers available for my long range shooting.

Greg

GL, you're gettin' too old to keep up with us young'uns. Quit wastin' your money.

So... to all of you.... save yourself a bundle of $$. Pull out your trigger group and send it to Bill Springfield in Colorado. (http://www.triggerwork.net/) He did both of my ARs and they're amazingly nice. No creep, with clean breaks right at the poundage I asked for. Look at the packages he's got put together before spending a couple hundred bucks on something you may not need.

I had him do an original A2 of mine, as well as a brand new M&P 15. Turnaround time was something under 2 weeks, door to door. I've never met him other than in email, but if/when I get another AR, the trigger group goes to him first thing.

Hey Red. Check the hangy downs in these pics:





That's 70 + medals swinging in the wind. I'm head'n for Tucson in April and hope to add at least a half dozen more. I'm gon'na whip some young LEO and Fire Fighter butt!!

61 years old going on 30 when that buzzer beeps!!

Greg

PS: Thanks for always making me feel welcome.

I have read that polishing/grinding AR triggers is inadvisable because they are only surface hardened, is this true?

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Yes, it is true. Do a google search on "Bill Springfield trigger problems" before you go that route.

ALG Defense is promising. I have several Geissele triggers and all of them are great. The SSA runs about $170 and is just terrific. I've used the RRA and the SSA is (IMHO) far smoother and crisper, though not lighter.

I would just bite the bullet and go Geissele. It just doesn't get ant better than this. I have tuned RRA 2 stage triggers but the Geissele 2 stage feels way better. I would think the single stage would be super.

I went Geissele SSA and really like it.

HJ857 said:

The Jewell has been around a good long time now, but no longer has the "flavor of the month" sexiness like Geissele is enjoying. Worth a look in any case.

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I'd hardly call the Geiselle a "flavor of the month". They've been around for a good long time as well and for good reason. Pull characteristics notwithstanding, their Hi-Speed series has a quantifiable advantage over everything else out there in the form of reduced lock time. Going back to shooting even one of the "enhanced" mil-spec triggers on another rifle after shooting my Service Rifle with the Geiselle installed makes me cringe. The RRA I have on another rifle doesn't even compare either. The Geiselle may cost 2x the price of the RRA but IMO it is at least 2x as good.

I purchased the Geissele SSA-E for my AR pricy but worth it in my opinion, groups improved immdiately,quality trigger, easy to install and if I ever sell rifle I will simply pull the Geissele and replace with stock trigger.

Geissele isn't a flavor of the month trigger for sure. They are the only aftermarket trigger approved by the US military. I put one in my AR and it's amazing.
I also have a AR in 308 with the RRA 2-stage trigger. It's pretty nice (not as good as the geissele), but I worry it'll fail eventually from all the reports I've seen. We'll see.
I want to order some ALG triggers for the rifles that I can't justify the price of a geissele for (and I want a single stage trigger on those).

http://www.precisionfirearms.com/40.html

If you go with Tmney or Giesselle this is a better price than Midway. I just got my 3lb timney and a custom upper I am very happy with today. You might have inquire about whether or not its in stock, but it appears they are on backorder with Midway anyhow.