CCW class - scarey!!!

I think you meant oblivious not ambivalent. Dude was prolly limp wristing the glock. Just saying...

When i took my permit course the first time, the teacher was claiming that a cup and saucer grip was the best way to control recoil with a semi auto. His words, not mine.

About 5 months ago, while on the range where i was living, a guy and his son showed up. Father was loading a rifle, and the kid, who was probably 15 or so, was handling a Glock. His father tells him to put the gun down, to which he says "I KNOW Its unloaded, look" and proceeds to pull the trigger, while aiming the gun down the range line. He hit a post about a foot from my HEAD. After i FLIPPED MY <deleted> on this kid he says "Chill out bitch, it was an accident". Needless to say, he and his father were banned for life from the range.

SteampunkQueen - I'm hearing you! Reminds me of various public range knuckle heads that I've run into out there across various states. Reckless muzzle sweeps across the shooting line, handling weapons during "cold range", and calling "hot range" when people are still tending to targets downrange - ticks me off like nothing else when range time is normally a source of relaxation and fun.

Just took a CHL (CCW) class last weekend myself. Four students at a time during the range qual. Oh my, one lady's pistol jammed every 5 rounds and her shots were sprayed all over the place. A younger male just next to her was just about equally high and low all over the silhouette target - bewildering as to why they felt ready to pursue a concealed carry permit. Great that they are out shooting...but maybe they should just rely on pepper spray for now and take a handgun training course in the mean time?

Some persons just don't pay attention to detail; sounds like husband and wife
were on the "jittery side"; and a "brain fart" wasn't too far away~!

Steampunk Queen, I think I would have called the PD and made a criminal complaint against the little snot! He's lucky you didn't return fire.

Although I was already semi-proficient with firearms, I had to take the CCW course for my license. After the 3-4 hour verbal part of the course, my instructor told us (my brother and I) he needed to witness us fire a pistol; he gave us a .22 cal semi auto and told use to fire 2 rounds into the ground and that would be sufficient. He then tried to take us to a local sports bar for lunch and beers. We thought he was kind of bizarro and declined; nice enough guy though, I guess.

Concealed carry license classes are also a demonstration of how $$ does not buy skill. I had a husband and wife next to me last time on the range test -- both with brand-new pistols: a Springfield XD or XDm for him and a S&W M&P for her. Nice guns, but they had probably taken them out of the boxes that morning!

She was on my left, so I had to keep looking over my shoulder to make sure she was pointing the pistol downrange.

I did fine with steel-cased 9x18mm out of a Makarov PM. I had a nice little group in the center of the silhouette at the end of the test, while the woman with the S&W put several holes in the bottom part of my target!

They both would have been better off with used Glock 17s or 19s and with the extra $$ spent on some instruction before the CHL class. Oh, well.

All my best,
Dirty Bob

Those are some scary experiences for CCW classes. For mine, we had an info day where we learned our way around single-action and double-action revolvers, semi-autos, rifles, learned how to clean them, and learned the safety rules. The next day was a range day. We shot 1911's with .22 conversion kits and .22 revolvers. Then we got individual training with the guns we'd chosen as our carry guns.

As far as accuracy and CCW classes has it ever occurred to you that some people get the CCW to get around the pistol permit process in some places and are using it as way to get a pistol and learn how to shoot? Its what I did. Sheriff wouldn't give me a pistol permit so I got my CCW which he couldn't deny me. I wasn't spraying all over the place, but I was no where near where I am today.

As far as the safety issues. Yeah thats inexcusable.

See... it's stuff just like this that is why I'll never take my wife to an indoor range. She's already very iffy on guns to start with, and having some halfway out of control nut next to her will ruin things for me. I'm a member of a private range and make sure if and when I take her, it's when not many "shooters" are around.

The most recent new shooter (senior lady) I taught to shoot took the Texas concealed carry course last month. She got a perfect score beating 8 men and one woman. She used a Taurus PT99.

The TX qualification course is so easy that I passed it (for practice) with my eyes closed.

IMO anyone that can't demonstrate reasonable skill and knowledge with their gun should not be given a license to carry a gun.

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Class went OK... then went to the range. Guy with a Glock 17 and .32 revolver tried to buy .32 auto cartridges for his revolver... and the gal behind the desk was clueless and tried to sell them to him. I politely suggested he save his money.

Dude and his wife were in the class... she with a .380 he with some Beretta knock-off. Mr. Dude starts waving the .380 around showing to everyone in the store, wife says, "Think there's one in the chamber." Range owner takes the gun from him and ejects a live round. Mr Dude keeps asking to see everyone's gun, still totally oblivious about where he pointed the barrels. I moved behind his wife, told her, "He'll have to go through you to hit me!"

During the shoot, Mr. Dude is tack driver with his knock-off nine, wife is all over the target, other guy's Glock jammed every other drill (I'm just saying....).

Perfect scores for me all around. Not sure the world is a safer place, though.

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Just wanted to share a funny story about the last time I was at an indoor range. I was waiting for a lane and saw a guy rent a Kimber 1911, pickup a box of ammo and the CCW qualification target. The attendant explained to him that to qualify here in NC you just need to be able to put 40 out of 50 shots in a large center of mass area on a silhouette target at a distance of 7 yards. About 15 minutes later he comes back with a target that has 25 shots center of mass and 25 shots in the head (outside of the qualifying area). The attendant looks at it and asks what is this, to which the guy replies he got tired of shooting center of mass and so he switched to headshots. It took a while for him to understand how he failed the qualification.

I think it means "to the top"

Its similar to QFT. Quoted for Truth. Used to point something out and say "hey I agree" like +1. Buy sell trades usually use it to bump a topic to the top.

I qualified next to an elderly lady who must have had her late husband's model 19 smith. Not a pleasant experience for either one of us. However, she did manage to keep them all on the paper.

Hearing all these stories makes me thankful VA allowed me to get by with an online course. Half the cost, and didn't have to risk getting shot or deal with idiot instructors.

Range owner takes the gun from him and ejects a live round.

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This is on the range owner, too. If someone is sweeping people with his muzzle (gun "unloaded" or not), he would leave my premises that day, right then. If comes back tomorrow, fine--but he starts sweeping people again, it's a life-time ban.

Needless to say, he and his father were banned for life from the range.

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Now, THAT's the way to do it.

During the shoot, Mr. Dude is tack driver with his knock-off nine, wife is all over the target, other guy's Glock jammed every other drill (I'm just saying....).

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I hope you understand that such a scene is the very essence of the Second Amendment. Ordinary citizens learning to shoot. I hope you don't simply "tolerate" such a scene--it is something to be loved and cherished.

Part of that RKBA is the responsibility (on all of us) to keep ourselves and our fellow shooters safe, and to try to help everyone become a better and safer shooter. Even if it means banning some of them for life.

From what i understand, the father and son that were at the range that day, were banned from other ranges in the area as well.

I'd be curious how the father responded to his ill-bred son.
My father would have turned me into a statistic.

During a CCW class I attended recently, we were all congregating before the class in a public area, getting ready to head into the "classroom", which was a restaurant. One of the students started talking about what each of us would carry. One guy reaches into his pants pocket and says, "This!".

I couldn't believe it! I had two responses, first, to put that thing away! Secondly, to sit far away from him. i just couldn't imagine flashing it around the way he was, especially where we were, with being that close to getting a permit but not having one yet. It just seemed very irresponsible to me.

Then, when we went into the area for shooting to show our "prowess" with a firearm, the guy wheels it out again and says, "This!".

The guys in charge didn't seem phased with this. I don't think it was the first time they'd seen that.

I'm not a gun-prude but I do try to think safety and legality. This just didn't seem to have either. i never asked, and didn't want to find out, whether the gun was loaded.

On the other hand, my private club recently ran a CHL class, with an NRA Basic Pistol class taught as part of the LOOOONG day. Newer shooters therefore had a bit of instruction and some practice before facing the CHL test.

I wish that CHL instructors could get people to come for a two-day: first day for a general intro and instruction, followed by the meat-and-potatoes of the CHL course on the second day.

I agree with M2: the Texas test IS easy. I'm not a great pistol shot, but I've aced the shooting test both times I've taken it, and I used the same $199 Makarov both times. Both times, mine was the least expensive pistol at the range. I think it would be possible to pass it with a Kel-Tec P-32!

All my best,
Dirty Bob