1911s suck (not my article)

Sounds logical to me. I often wonder the same things. I also wonder how 1911's get such cool names like CQB, elite, range officer, tactical and such. But when you look at them they all look alike. But I guess since the marines bought some that is enough for some people.

Oh joy, another wonderful "1911's Suck" rant on the internet filled with inaccurate information and false generalizations. Quick, someone call the dozens of manufacturers who are selling 1911's faster than they can make them and tell them their products are utter trash and unwanted in today's gun market.

but I've never owned one, I've never even shot one.

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So you have no experience with the platform at all, but you know they suck because someone on the internet told you so. Interesting.

I wonder if these blog ranters will ever realize that no one really cares... doubt it.

It needs tools to disassemble.

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Stopped reading right there.

HDCamel said:

It needs tools to disassemble.

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Stopped reading right there.

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Yes, only "some" 1911's require tools to disassemble.


My Sig 1911 don't suck and I am sticking to that story.

My friend's RIA 1911 Tactical don't suck either and I am also sticking to that story.

There is nothing wrong with the 1911. It sucks when Marine Commandos get Colt 1911s and we the taxpayers get stuck with the bill. They should have been provided with Glock 21s and if they want to parade Colts they should pay for them out of their pockets.

PabloJ said:

There is nothing wrong with the 1911. It sucks when Marine Commandos get Colt 1911s and we the taxpayers get stuck with the bill. They should have been provided with Glock 21s and if they want to parade Colts they should pay for them out of their pockets.

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Couldn't disagree more. I may not be the biggest fan of the 1911 but if that's what they say they need to get the job done then no questions asked on my part. And don't get me wrong by my earlier comment because I do like the 1911.

People that like 1911s will continue to like them and those who don't care for them will continue to like something else. It's been around too long, and other alternatives have been around long enough, everyone can be happy and nobody will be swayed from their favorites. No point in even having yet another discussion about it.

For the record, I have a Colt XSE Commander and absolutely love it. It's a beautiful gun and it shoots very well.

It’s a 100-year old design. It needs tools to disassemble. It has unreliable magazines. It is finicky about ammo. And, as a single-action pistol, it is unsafe for 95% of its users to carry.

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I quit reading there and went to "Why 1911's DON'T Suck". I have no problem field stripping my 7 1911's with no tools, my mags all work, and they shoot whatever I put in them (mostly reloads and Win. Rangers). The last sentence really gets me - I carry the same 1911 today that I bought to carry in '03. No mishaps, how can that be? If a 1911 is unsafe to carry I wonder when his "Why Glocks Suck" article will be out?

but info is info and if you're opinion trumps facts, well.....

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Facts like 1911s requiring tools to disassemble?

Where's Tuner?

Where's Tuner?

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He'll be along shortly...

Originally posted by Auto426:
Oh joy, another wonderful "1911 Suck" rant on the internet filled with inaccurate information and a false generalizations. Quick, someone call the dozens of manufacturers who are selling 1911's faster than they can make them and tell them their products are utter trash and unwanted in today's gun market.

but I've never owned one, I've never even shot one.

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So you have no experience with the platform at all, but you know they suck because someone on the internet told you so. Interesting.

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No kidding!

Dude, this was not even close to a rant. I tried to preface my link with some positive comments about the 1911, but still got "smacked down" by a 1911 fan boy *rolls eyes*. If you read the comments on the blog, the author gets peppered with similar, backed up by only the repliers opinion, comments.

My intention was not to start a firefight (though I figured it would) but info is info and if you're opinion trumps facts, well.....

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The rant I was referring to the was the article you posted, not your post itself. And it's funny that you talk about facts, since you admitted to having no experience at all with 1911's, you would obviously know what was fact in that article and what wasn't.

I am tired of the 1911 is an old design crap. While I will agree that there are newer gun designs on the market that require less maintenance, a well built 1911 will hold its own.

A good 1911 will cost a bit more than a Glock, M&P, etc. but if you consider that most serious shooters own multiple handguns and that the cost of the ammo will overtake the cost of the gun, the initial investment is a mute point.

I carried a 1911 for 10 years and my wife still carries one. I now carry an HK in 9mm but would have no issue going back to a 1911 if I wanted something that shot 45ACP.

Ur right 1911s are absolute junk. Don't buy one......maybe the price will go down for us that find a use for the poor antiquated design......its a stuggle but we can make it work.

1911's DO suck big time if you don't invest both the money and practice in them.

You can't buy a $500 1911 and expect it to run like a $500 Glock. 1911's have a lot of moving parts that need to be in tune with each other, as well as a more specialized manual of arms. Invest some effort into it, and it'll serve as well as anything else.

The author did a terrible job of conveying this.

The 1911 "is unsafe for 95% of its users to carry." Way to pull unverifiable stats out of your butt, Yankee. Ridiculous.

My intention was not to start a firefight (though I figured it would) but info is info and if you're opinion trumps facts, well.....

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What exactly was your intention? A poorly written article certainly doesn't make a point.
How can anyone be taken seriously mentioning Chuck Norris facts? I do wonder if the author flunked out of gunsite with such annimosity towards Cooper.


Run what you brung... Don't like it don't buy it.

I wonder if people would start calling Glocks antiquated junk if other manufacturers started making clones and tightened the tolerances 75 years from now.

For general purpose for the average person, they would be better served with something striker fired and polymer for defensive use. To those that can handle the 1911 for all that it's worth are better off with a 1911. When I can I plan on building myself a 1911 that will be my "do everything" handgun.

This article just goes to show one side of an issue I've brought up before:
Just because something works for the job doesn't mean you can't have something better. Just because something isn't the best tool for the job doesn't mean it won't work.

I am a plastic, passive safety kind of person, but I decided to go outside my comfort zone and look at various options, specifically with the goal of getting as-close-to-the-same-as-possible of two pistols, one in a single-stack pocket size and one in a double-stack duty or compact size. The last two that I had narrowed it down to were the XDm and XDs, or a double-stack 1911 and one of the 3" models. I realized that in order to get a single double-stack 1911, I would be paying more than what both the XD pistols would cost, and that pretty much made the decision for me.

The linked article is right. The 1911 is an old design. There are many guns out on the market now that can do the same thing, with more bullets, with better reliability off the shelf, for a lot less than you can buy a 1911 for. But hey, they still work, right?

I always enjoy reading posts in these sort of threads.

Anyways, I would much rather prefer to read a point by point disagreement supported with facts.

I have 1911s, Glocks, Sig Sauers, H&Ks and you name it. I dont get offened if any of these get bashed on internets. In fact, a healthy debate is what I would prefer.

After all its just a damn gun folks. We must realize that there people who will disagree with us.

I stopped reading after the vast majority of his complaints proved untrue for my 1911. I have a Cimarron 1911 that I spent somewhere between $500-600 for new. It is the most comfortable and natural pointing pistol I've yet used. It has so far fed and HP I've thrown at it, the slim designs makes it significantly easier to conceal than my XD compact and I've never used a tool to disassemble it in my life (I had to look up what tools he could possibly be talking about). All of that is one of the cheapest, Philippines-made model available. I also carry that pistol on a regular basis and have managed to not shoot myself so I don't buy his unsafe argument either.

Is it better than every modern pistol? No. Is it out-dated and useless? Not at all. Mine fills a very specific role, it acts as my carry weapon because it conceals much better than my XD and has performed as well (the only downside is smaller magazines, but if I can't stop something with 24 rounds of .45acp, 36 rounds isn't going to help me much either). So do I buy into his "edgy, the emperor has no clothes" article? No, because clearly he hasn't a clue what he's talking about and merely wants to get some publicity by taking a controversial (and stupid) stance.

It'd be one thing if any of the facts he cited are true, but when they're not...there's really no chance to have any sort of reasonable discussion about it.

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I quit reading there and went to "Why 1911's DON'T Suck". I have no problem field stripping my 7 1911's with no tools, my mags all work, and they shoot whatever I put in them (mostly reloads and Win. Rangers). The last sentence really gets me - I carry the same 1911 today that I bought to carry in '03. No mishaps, how can that be? If a 1911 is unsafe to carry I wonder when his "Why Glocks Suck" article will be out?

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+1. Couldn't say it better.
Pete