Obama Is Still our Best Salesman

I bought another 2k of pistol ammo last week at pre-election prices. The only reason NOT to buy is if you think prices are staying the same or going down(or no money). Does anybody who understands supply and demand seriously think that is the case for the foreseeable future?

I mean there is barely any downside risk to ammo prices and PLENTY of upside. Current market conditions are cementing this prediction whether you agree with them or not.

I'm still using the stuff I got during the Slime Bill days! remember the SA .308 battle packs for $19.95?

As said in post 25, Obama isn't driving the gun sales. It is the paranoid gun owners fueled by certain 3 letter acronym firearm non profit agencies.

^ATF?

I don't understand the "blame game". Blame is used as a negative connotation? Sales are up, shops/manufacturers are dancing in the streets. We saw whatever we saw (or not) coming months ago. I took the opportunity to purchase "stuff" I needed...really needed, at great prices, long ago.

BHO, salesman extraordinaire, and I didn't vote for him, and will deal with whatever comes down the pike, whenever it shows its ugly head.

Meantime, I'm having fun plinking, ranging, and cannot wipe this smile off my face, although that may come later.

I think the President is probably mostly to blame/thank for this increased popularity in guns. I think in a smaller way, the "fiscal cliff" is also to blame. I think few people really fear falling off of that cliff, but the people that do fear it, are the type to prepare with a vengence. Thus only adding to the demand.

I've had friends lately are basically saying "I'm going to buy while I can." Meanwhile I'm not really concerned about the supply and demand in the long run. I expect things to be backlogged for a bit, but once the hype dies down it'll return to normal, and the plus side is that there will be even more people armed than before.

I'm one of those people that's more concerned about the fiscal cliff. I see more reason to stock up for that event than any legislative action. The "conservatives" control the House, and even in the Senate, they're quite aware that gun-control is a potential career ender. The President may not fear re-election time, but the rest of the legislative branch is.

Firearms and ammunition is a huge business in this country. Maybe this will help the economy (doubt it but oh well). I don't blame the POTUS for the spike in prices, I like a few others , blame people who are panicking. I had stocked up on most things I needed over the past two years. I understand people's fear on the subject, but most do not understand how difficult it is to pass new legislation such as an AWB. that is where we, as gun owners, have stood up, paid our dues, contacted our representatives, and said no more. We actually have more pull than most realize. As long as we keep doing this we can keep up the good fight. It is one we will not win, but we can prevent from worsening.

I like a few others , blame people who are panicking. I had stocked up on most things I needed over the past two years. I understand people's fear on the subject, but most do not understand how difficult it is to pass new legislation such as an AWB.

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Well...that's what I thought in 1994. I got burned, badly.

The thing is, you were able to buy what you wanted some time ago, but for someone struggling financially, buying a $1K rifle might ordinarily be well down the priority list. If someone assesses that the threat environment re: new legislation has changed enough to reorganize those priorities, then that's not "panicking," it's rational reassessment on their part, even if you or I feel the absolute risk of new legislation is very low.

Obama is not driving up gun sales, your paranoia is.

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Same thing.

Jim

As said in post 25, Obama isn't driving the gun sales. It is the paranoid gun owners fueled by certain 3 letter acronym firearm non profit agencies.

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Were we paranoid in 1994 when a ten year AWB and mag capaciyt ban was enacted?

We have a sitting President indicating in the second Presidential debate that called for another AWB and more restrictions on "cheap handguns".

“But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don’t belong on our streets. And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and they’re not using AK-47s. They’re using cheap hand guns.”

As a candidate in 2008, Obama campaigned on permanent reinstatement of the expired assault weapons ban, and Attorney General Eric Holder in 2009 indicated that the administration would lobby for a bill.

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So without the worry of re-election what do you think his motivation to not move forward with further restrictions on legal guns will be?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/obama-calls-for-renewal-of-assault-weapons-ban/


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Keep in mind there are elections for House and Senate member still.

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From afar I would say Obama is a poor salesman and some gun fanatics are poor buyers.

If I were American there is precious little Mr. Obama could sell me, so for me he is a great orator but a poor salesman.

From last month to this month what has has changed that you need another 1000 rounds?

Sorry, probably don't understand the dynamic!

4yrs ago I spent a fortune on ammo, I'm sitting this one out

BenEzra, I agree, I went through the AWB too. It simply is against the odds that it could be done again. I will not say it cannot be, but will say that any representative (other than the most a it's like Feinstein) would be signing their resignation by doing it. The AWB of 94 was the single worst and best thing to happen to semi auto sales. Post AWB we have more and better companies flooding the market with high quality firearms. I would expect to see an expansion of the Brady Bill before another AWB. Firearm laws can be passed with either party as President(Brady bill and AWB for example). Most POTUS including the previous administration said they would sign it if it made it to them. It is the nature of the beast. While some will argue that Bush only said that knowing it would not make it to him, the same can be said for this administration. It could have been to gather support from the anti's, who knows. We still have many representatives Republican,Democrat,and Independent that will stop any legislation from being enacted. We just need to stand strong, not panic(because we look desperate when we do) and keep supporting those that have our best interests at heart. I urge everyone to write their representatives and thank them for their work and let them know how we stand. What I worry about is the undecided people, the ones that are on the fence about firearms. It is our duty to educate them in the truth about the laws, violence, and firearm use. All it takes is one tragedy to change their minds against firearms. We can blame ALL media for that.

Andrew Leigh said:

From last month to this month what has has changed that you need another 1000 rounds?

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Potential inability to buy those 1,000 rounds next month.

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Wow. This has all happened before. 4 years ago. Obama is not driving up gun sales, your paranoia is.

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Yep, pretty much. All the hype 4 years ago and nuttin' happened. Last month folks used the "if he gets elected to his second term, he'll take all your guns" hype to try and defeat him. Truth is, between the positive attitude the majority of Americans have towards gun ownership nowadays and the overwhelming other problems our nation has to deal with, I doubt if any lawmaker is gonna press gun control and if they do, they will be met with stout opposition. I believe one reason Obama got reelected is because many folks didn't really believe the anti-gun hype a minority of folks tried to impress upon us. I didn't worry 4 years ago and I'm not worried now. I've been well stocked for 40 years, those that think they need to rush out now and stock up better have deep pockets......and not want to get their monies worth.

History has proven nothing will happen as him as the president to change gun laws. Being a demi it is common knowledge they push for higher taxes on guns, which he didnt do in his last 4 years. In fear of paying more for a fire arm I would be willing to go out and buy more for that reason but not in fear of any bills being passed. All in all it is good for gun salesman and fear some times can educate people in this case for the reasonable consumer knowing more about guns in gen. But with that said more irresponsible people will be buying them also which always hurts use because of their actions.

My hope is people will start to see people kill people not gun owners but that would require speaking to them directly which the gun salesman's have the power to do.

Friends tell me that during the so-called AWB, AK clones and other sport utility rifles were still available for sale.
But they were missing the "evil features".

Would the White House try hard to pass legislation which might later lead to a smaller Dem. majority in the Senate?
They usually calculate such factors, being keenly aware that careers and other potential bills are at risk.

Four years ago the astute gun owners knew in advance that "Our Leader" needed almost all of his mandate, or 'political capital' for the huge ObamaCare legislation. He now is reported to have less political capital compared to in early '09, though there might be no major bill which requires it.

Warp said:

Potential inability to buy those 1,000 rounds next month.

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Potentially,

what has actually changed? Can you now not buy those rounds?

Andrew Leigh said:

Potentially,

what has actually changed? Can you now not buy those rounds?

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Some of them, yes, but at a premium of $50 or so over what they cost a couple weeks ago.

Some of them, no, because they are out of stock.

A couple weeks ago I ordered 1,000 rounds of quality, brass case .223 for $336 shipped. If you can show me where that deal is currently available, I'm all ears.

what has actually changed? Can you now not buy those rounds?

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Nope. Just backordered some bullets. Typical backorder from this supplier is around two weeks. Lady told me she had no idea when, but thought it would get into next year.

Warp said:

Some of them, yes, but at a premium of $50 or so over what they cost a couple weeks ago.

Some of them, no, because they are out of stock.

A couple weeks ago I ordered 1,000 rounds of quality, brass case .223 for $336 shipped. If you can show me where that deal is currently available, I'm all ears.

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But again....this has nuttin to do with the politicians in Washington, but all about panic buying because of unfounded fear. Some of it(just like 4 years ago) is because retailers motivated by profit and greed tend to keep visible inventory low hoping it will look like a shortage and motivate the buyer to take all there is. If folks were so worried, why did they wait till now to stock up? Reminds me of the old sayin' "A fool and his money are soon parted".

Reloading should be a priority to everyone

The thing is, you were able to buy what you wanted some time ago, but for someone struggling financially, buying a $1K rifle might ordinarily be well down the priority list. If someone assesses that the threat environment re: new legislation has changed enough to reorganize those priorities, then that's not "panicking," it's rational reassessment on their part, even if you or I feel the absolute risk of new legislation is very low.

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Exactly. I know more than a few people in this boat.

I was one of the lucky ones who's small business has done fairly well, and I was able to buy a few new firearms and a decent amount of ammo the last couple of years. Not that I couldn't use more....

But I digress. I have had a lot of inquiries from acquaintances and friends regarding what they should buy and from whom. Of course, I've told them all to wait a little while, until after the holidays when many people's priorities have shifted to paying on the credit cards they ran up buying ammo, guns and christmas gifts. Things will calm down. We may face another ban, but it isn't gonna happen tomorrow, so if you can't comfortably afford whatever it is you want, I suggest you wait until you can. Don't put yourself in a financial bind to get that AR or AK today.

And while ammo isn't an investment you'll lose money on, it's not like you can take boxes of rounds to pay for your gas or groceries. Our dollar hasn't collapsed yet.

In short, if you have the money, I see no reason not to spend it on guns or ammo you planned to buy anyway. But don't create a financial crisis for yourself because you believe that O will push an executive order any moment now, outlawing whatever it is you wanted.